Raise E2 via Injection Frequency or Test Cyp Dose?

[Jimstigator]

Hey fellas,

Question - Since getting on TRT, my estrogen has come back low every reading. Currently protocol is 110mg test cyp a week, via EOD injections. No AI, no hCG. Total T keeps coming back 800-900. SHBG last reading was 22. Sensitive E ranges from 12-25, with the average over the past few months closer to 15. Latest reading 13.

Ranges: TT (348-1197)
Sensitive E (3-70)

Would you increase the testosterone dose to raise estrogen, OR, switch to twice a week injections?

Anyone switched from one to the other or seen the results of someone who has?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[JimiThing]

Less frequent injections are what I would try first to get e2 levels up a bit.

 

[jomamma007]

Maybe a little bit if both? 60mgs 2X a week for a month and re test.
More importantly is how are you feeling at the current levels ???

 

[jomamma007]

Maybe a little bit if both? 60mgs 2X a week for a month and re test.
More importantly is how are you feeling at the current levels ???

 

[Jimstigator]

Like shit. Always do when estrogen is low.

 

[Jimstigator]

Going to give 50mg E3D a run. Totals 125mg a week when calculated over the course of 2 weeks.

50mg is a good bit more than I have ever done in a single injection - hopefully my body turns a bit more to estrogen.

-Jim

 

[3J]

youre injecting eod?? seriously??

switch it to twice a week you'll be fine

 

[3J]

youre injecting eod?? seriously??

switch it to twice a week you'll be fine

 

[Jimstigator]

youre injecting eod?? seriously??

switch it to twice a week you'll be fine

Haha. Its not that rare to do... just less talked about around here than other forums. BUT... I am not defending it, since its kept my estrogen too low for a long time - so I am going every 3 days. E3D results in 5 injections every two weeks.

-Jim

 

[3J]

do monday morning and thursday night.. 3.5 days apart and you can keep injecting on the same day and make it simple..

 

[Megatron28]

It might help to add in some hCG to your protocol as well.

 

[Jimstigator]

It might help to add in some hCG to your protocol as well.

I wish. I am prescribed HCG but can't take it. Atleast I don't currently. Not that I expect anyone to remember my threads - but I have one or two expressing my hatred for HCG. It makes me feel like garbage, every time, at any dose. Getting gyno procedure done, and will try again.

But - decent news - shifted to 50mg E3D. My workout yesterday was the best I have had since being on TRT, by far. Also seem to feel calmer and better overall. Guess time will tell as estrogen creeps up.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Missed this thread.
Lowish estradiol and with pretty decent TT levels....
no a.i. as well...
are you lean?

 

[Jimstigator]

Missed this thread.
Lowish estradiol and with pretty decent TT levels....
no a.i. as well...
are you lean?

Yes - I am lean. I have only really tried two strategies when it comes to injections - every day, and every other day. I know I know... a-typical. The thing is, I always struggled with estrogen pre-trt. While I understand everything is different now, it still scared me to inject large quantities on any given day. I basically refuse to take adex after having been on it for years straight.

From my years of battling estrogen, I know I feel much better in the mid to upper 20s.

Here is just a handful of my blood draws while on TRT. As you can see... all lowish E. More than half included HCG use. All would have been ED or EOD injection totaling between 70-100mg test cyp a week depending on protocol at that time. No AI. When I used adex in the beginning I came in consistently <3 sensitive E.

LabCorp Ranges TT(348-1197)/Sensitive E(3-70)

938/5 (week or two after coming off adex)
849/18
929/15
780/17
915/25
779/14
743/12
763/19
883/12

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Yeah I totally understand Jim.
its very easy to totally crash estrogen on TRT with adex.
I did it and it doesn't take much.
Those blood labs you listed are peak T/E levels or trough?
How long from injection are those labs?

 

[Alpin]

Thing is HCG is probably the answer here but you can't tolerate the stuff.
what about bigger doses spaced E7D'S?

 

[Jimstigator]

Injecting every day, or every other day, there is no peak discernible or trough

I have moved to 50mg E3D. Will retest soon.

-Jim

 

[Havasu]

As stated split your weekly doses into bi-weekly injections, use 250iu of HCG the night before each test injection. With Test Cyp, as far as I know, there's absolutely no reason to have injections eod. That's a whole bunch of extra needle pokes over the rest of your lifetime, for now reason. Your test is peaking between 48-72 hours and at 84 hours you're taking another dose.

 

[Alpin]

Haha. Its not that rare to do... just less talked about around here than other forums. BUT... I am not defending it, since its kept my estrogen too low for a long time - so I am going every 3 days. E3D results in 5 injections every two weeks.

-Jim

And 10 a month.

 

[Alpin]

Going to give 50mg E3D a run. Totals 125mg a week when calculated over the course of 2 weeks.

50mg is a good bit more than I have ever done in a single injection - hopefully my body turns a bit more to estrogen.

-Jim

How much do you typically do per injection prior to upping to 50 mg?