Reduce RBC naturally by exercise?

[Profion9k]

Hey Guys. Im at week 9 on nebido.
The first shot second week my testosteron was meassured at 35nmol wich translates into above high, believe its 1300.
The last week of my first shot "week 6" testosteron came out at 16nmol and i felt horrible...

Remember i am a former athlete, and im primary hypogondonal due to chemotherapy and a testicle removed. Nevertheless me and my doc are adjusting dosages along the way and hopefully will be adjusted to run at around 35-20.- just an update on that

- As for the topic.
Before starting TRT i was towards the higher end of RBC. At week 6 RBC had gone up alittle bit, if i remember corretly 47% Now as my question is: Is it possible to decrease RBC, how and what needs to be done.

- I know some people recommend controling the consumption of red meats.
- From my knowlagde it seems logical that as musclemass grows, more oxygen is needed to support new tissue. Since alot of s are into weightlifting the muscles kinda go abit beyound and therefore require more. I do not do pin point cardio, and i could imagine that my bodý is compensation for the need of RBC by increasign blood volume... So by doing some nice cardio, could that help with Heart/lung function and thereby asssit in lowering RBC due to better oxygen transporation from lungs?
- Any advice?

 

[halfwit]

Donate blood, it's the only way to do this. Your RBC count (HCT/hemoglobin) rises as exogenous testosterone confuses your red bone marrow, causing it to go into overdrive. Eating less iron may actually cause more harm than good.

My .02c

 

[Profion9k]

True less iron could trigger a need for higher RBC as it needs to bind some iron. Kinda see the point here

I still do believe that we as bodybuilders are more prone to RBC... Since we are actually adding on more mass that needs oxygen, so would that not just follow each other? I assume that bigger guys have higher RBC, i cant imagine what dudes jucing run into when at much higher dosages? Could i be above my natural amount of testosteron, thereby also triggerin a higher unnatural amount of RBC as a ratio - test/rbc?
There was some article that i read wich shoved endruance athletes actually can have lower RBC due to their sport... wich makes me think it could Work for bbing?

Im still in to figure out how to solve this naturally if possible, and as ALWAYS willing to give it a shot. Im doing bloodwork every 3-5weeks to figure out levels... I simply just have one problem with the nebido aswell "1000mg in oneshot" High rise - steaddy very low, untill Next high. When i reach 20nmol Again, and reshoot 1000mg its just gonna rise my HIGH even more.

 

[halfwit]

True less iron could trigger a need for higher RBC as it needs to bind some iron. Kinda see the point here

I still do believe that we as bodybuilders are more prone to RBC... Since we are actually adding on more mass that needs oxygen, so would that not just follow each other? I assume that bigger guys have higher RBC, i cant imagine what dudes jucing run into when at much higher dosages? Could i be above my natural amount of testosteron, thereby also triggerin a higher unnatural amount of RBC as a ratio - test/rbc?
There was some article that i read wich shoved endruance athletes actually can have lower RBC due to their sport... wich makes me think it could Work for bbing?

Im still in to figure out how to solve this naturally if possible, and as ALWAYS willing to give it a shot. Im doing bloodwork every 3-5weeks to figure out levels... I simply just have one problem with the nebido aswell "1000mg in oneshot" High rise - steaddy very low, untill Next high. When i reach 20nmol Again, and reshoot 1000mg its just gonna rise my HIGH even more.

Well, less iron when your body is going to continue making blood cells will just drop your ferritin, and possibly make you anemic over time. I spent a considerable amount of time looking into ways to reduce hematocrit (it's why testosterone actually has the potential for causing clots) and have yet to discover any other way around it. I donate platelets every other week as a result.

Now your protocol can also potentially be part of your problem. Spikes in hormones are never a good thing, and it sounds like you need to go with more frequent injections. Bigben66 is the man to talk to as he's been on nebido for some time. I'd also look into if your estradiol is optimal, as it too can have an impact here.

You're kind of on the right track correlating body mass with greater RBC concentrations. The performance athletes tend to have very little mass, lean or otherwise - so their bodies do indeed require less to perform. However, as you're finding out, injections of testosterone override this. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with being beyond your genetic potential as I make LESS blood solids at 14% body fat than I did at 51% body fat and 200lbs heavier. I've put back on 30-45lbs of lean mass over the years too - so I think it has to do more with overall body maas/volume than anything.

 

[Profion9k]

legit answer. Im kinda a believe of reason, there is always a reason that our body acts and does... I do believe that my RBC would not increase if i had not been hitting the gym the amount that i have! I have gained 7-8kg of muscle since starting TRT wich is on 9weeks! Sounds crazy, well it is... My deadlift when from 90kg to 200kg and my body simply transformed. Dont forget ive been ill, away from gym 2years and had low T <- This in itself would in my opinion increase my RBC.

I too have to mention that i did complain about my skin color while low T, i had 0 glow and was kinda pale. Start on TRT i suddenly got my skin color back wich is abit darker and more shiney red? Wich would account for higher energy aswell as blood volume?

- Nevertheless the nebido in my opinion does not make any sense "35peak to a 15low" I started TRT due to a normal level of 15 and i felt like CRAP all out.
week 2 = 35nmol = 1200
week 6 = 15nmol = 400/300

I would rather have it be 30-25-30 wich more frequent injections. I have no idea how the doc want to stabilize my levels when the Nebido comes in 1vial = 1000ml? But lets see in. Ill ask for Full panel to post aswell.

But would it not make sense? The more testosteron, the more mass? now add in workouts wich would increase musclemass even more. Hence the rise in RBC? Maybe im just trying to find an answer that does not exist.

 

[halfwit]

Well sure, you're adding mass - which does increase blood volume, and demands for oxygen. However, I would still attribute the vast majority of it to the shots.

Reddish skin tone can mean a lot of different things, but if your hematocrit is high, you will appear reddish. Some vasodilators can do this too as the capillaries in your skin will be processing more blood, which would also give that appearance.

I'd definitely talk to your doctor though. Hormone roller-coasters are not only hard on you mentally, but they're not healthy physically either.

 

[Profion9k]

Yeah. I did call him today and we talking about the Little increase in RBC wich we are now holding an eye on. I did also mention him that i felt kinda wrecked at week6, just low energy, no mood, sad, sleepy and a tired sensation around my eyes! The eye thing is deffently a call of low T for me.

I asked him and he said my levels were fine... 15... Then i asked him what my levels were pre-trt and he said 15... I was like lulz, well thats low for my doc! and he was like ohyeah i see now! I really want to fix up my nebido so that they run quite high 35-25 but i have no idea how they are going to do this when the vials come in 1000ml per shot? Either decrease the dosage and increase frequency or simply listen to me an change me to testosteron cyp/e or sus.

 

[Profion9k]

Just found this, quite interrresting going into the same direction i was at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-J5kXU-jQ " take it with a grain of salt, but would be nice to look further into "

 

[Profion9k]

Increase in red blood cells:

An increase in red blood cell mass is known as polycythemia. Normal physiological increases in the RBC count occurs at high altitudes or after strenuous physical training. At high altitudes, less atmospheric weight pushes air into the lungs, causing a decrease in the partial pressure of oxygen and hypoxia. With strenuous physical training, increased muscle mass demands more oxygen. The drugs gentamicin and methyldopa have been associated with increasing the number of red blood cells. Smokers also have a higher number of red blood cells than non-smokers.

There are also pathological reasons for an increased number of red blood cells. Polycythemia vera is a disease of unknown origin that results in an abnormal increase in red blood cells. Polycythemia vera is referred to as a "primary polycythemia" because the overproduction of red blood cells does not result from hypoxia. The term "vera" means true; thus polycythemia vera refers specifically to overproduction of red blood cells in the bone marrow not caused by a physiologic need. Polycythemia vera is treated by radioactive phosphorus to slow down bone marrow overproduction of red blood cells. Hydration is an important consideration when caring for patients with abnormally high red blood cell counts. Very high RBC mass will slow blood velocity and increase the risk of intravascular clotting. Examples of "secondary polycythemias", that occur in response to hypoxia, are chronic lung disease in adults and children with congenital heart defects characterized by cyanosis.

 

[halfwit]

I stand corrected, just need some radioactive phosphorus to keep them pesky RBCs at bay!



Yeah, I'll stick to flirting with the red cross gals every other week.

 

[Profion9k]

fuck it, you could also just accept a RBC of 100%. mission complete, rock hard solid blood oh yeah

 

[halfwit]

fuck it, you could also just accept a RBC of 100%. mission complete, rock hard solid blood oh yeah

My blood type is JELL-O. Sup?

 

[flyboy9994]

Hey halfwit

Could you explain what type of blood donations you are doing every other week? I'm not doing anything yet but getting ready just in case. I start injections soon. Thanks.

 

[halfwit]

Hey halfwit

Could you explain what type of blood donations you are doing every other week? I'm not doing anything yet but getting ready just in case. I start injections soon. Thanks.

Platelet apheresis. They use a smaller needle and a machine does the work. It takes a little longer (2hrs for some) than whole blood, but you get to watch a movie and chill while getting free drinks and snack food.

Lowering hematocrit is actually an unintended benefit as the machines destroy some red blood cells in the process of separating your platelets from your plasma add other blood solids. It has a far smaller impact on ferritin stores, the folks that do it are often veteran phlebotomists, and if through the red cross - you can earn free gift cards and swag. It's pretty win/win, and can be done weekly if desired. I prefer every other week as the FDA is retarded and lumps EVERYONE over 175lbs into one category regarding volume loss - which limits the total number of donations per year.