Safest hair friendly cycle - Tbol - need opinions

[CamelMate]

So have done a lot of research on Tbol only cycles, despite being oral only seems to be the safest overall, especially in regards to hairloss (do not want any).

Just doing some research for future, got a few questions -

1. For a Tbol only cycle of 40-50mg ED for 4 weeks, PCT of Nolva 40/20/20/10 or 20/20/10? - does the Nolva need to be tapered down to avoid any estrogen rebound?

2. Tbol isn't supposed to aromatize but from extensive research some people still do get it. What would be a fool proof way to avoid any possibility of gyno, run Nolva at 10mg ED? Or Aromasin? Will PCT need to be adjusted, as I have heard people getting rebound gyno from doing stuff like this.

3. Is 40-50mg run for 4 weeks going to cause permanent lipid profile changes and liver/kidney damage?

4. If I was to run test prop along with it for 8 weeks and avoid any hairloss, would tropical Spiro everyday/twice a day with Nizoral several times a week be enough? Would hairloss be likely to stop if I discontinue the test, or will it keep going.

I've read finasteride can actually cause initial/post cycle hairloss once you discontinue use and DHT levels play around, so Spiro/niz seem to be good alternative, with no sexual sides risks. Would also be using AI & other things for PCT.

Would appreciate any input

 

[clman8585]

When people use steroids they are accepting the fact that they may lose hair. You gotta make a decision if this lifestyle is for you or not. If hair is your main concern, I'd say stick to creatine.

 

[CamelMate]

This is true, however it seems it is possible to use AAS without it affecting your hair, with right compounds and precautions

 

[clman8585]

This is true .I've never lost a single hair.

 

[Kazmir]

So have done a lot of research on Tbol only cycles, despite being oral only seems to be the safest overall, especially in regards to hairloss (do not want any).

Just doing some research for future, got a few questions -

1. For a Tbol only cycle of 40-50mg ED for 4 weeks, PCT of Nolva 40/20/20/10 or 20/20/10? - does the Nolva need to be tapered down to avoid any estrogen rebound?

2. Tbol isn't supposed to aromatize but from extensive research some people still do get it. What would be a fool proof way to avoid any possibility of gyno, run Nolva at 10mg ED? Or Aromasin? Will PCT need to be adjusted, as I have heard people getting rebound gyno from doing stuff like this.

3. Is 40-50mg run for 4 weeks going to cause permanent lipid profile changes and liver/kidney damage?

4. If I was to run test prop along with it for 8 weeks and avoid any hairloss, would tropical Spiro everyday/twice a day with Nizoral several times a week be enough? Would hairloss be likely to stop if I discontinue the test, or will it keep going.

I've read finasteride can actually cause initial/post cycle hairloss once you discontinue use and DHT levels play around, so Spiro/niz seem to be good alternative, with no sexual sides risks. Would also be using AI & other things for PCT.

Would appreciate any input

First thing about this is a TBol only cycle is a very bad idea, tbol will still shut you done and without at least a small dose of test your gonna be in a bad situation. Test is what makes you a man, literally.

That being said here are the answers to your questions although I do not condone an oral only cycle

1. PCT would be nolva 40/20/20/20 + clomid 100/50/50/50. Nolva does nothing for the estrogen levels that is why we run arimidex or aromasin to control estrogen. If your worried about rebound estro then I would suggest aromasin or letro.

2. A fool proof way is not to run nolva during cycle, rather run an AI through cycle and having blood tests mid cycle to determine where your E2 levels are and adjust your AI dosage according to the results.

3. Everyone reacts differently to each substance, so the answer to this is dependent on the user, but yes it can.

4. There are many factors that determine hair loss and not only the compounds you run, sure some have a greater possibility of causing hairloss, ex primo, mast, etc but again it is all user dependant as again everyone is different. You can take all the measures to avoid it but in the end if its gonna happen its gonna happen. Its all part of the game and if hairloss is something thats gonna stop you from progress then your not ready and serious enough to be running any compound.

 

[CamelMate]

Great reply, thank you for that. Pretty much got all the answers I was looking for - will do some more research now.

 

[SilverBackGorilla]

I'd research Bic razors my soon to be balding friend.

 

[CamelMate]

Am young so would avoid that at all costs - would rather stay away from AAS if I had to

 

[SilverBackGorilla]

How old are you?

 

[CamelMate]

21 with good hairline so am looking to preserve that, hence the reasoning behind a tbol/ low dose test cycle if I were to do them

 

[Black Beard]

Hairloss is mostly genetic. It's more about the follicles sensitivity to androgens than just the systemic levels. Some people blast crazy amounts of gear and they don't lose a single hair, others aren't so lucky. Hey, even creatine increased DHT by 40% in a couple of studies. Hair is awesome and large part of a man/woman's look. Some people rock the bald really well, but that's the exception. Family history will be a good predictor of alopecia androgena, especially immediate family. You are pretty young to be using steroids. I hope you have a very strong foundation and know what you are doing, even then, you could mess yourself up. It's your own body, but you only get one in this life. Once those little hairs fall off your head and that prostate swells to the size of a grapefruit, there's no turning back. That is unless you want to try finasteride, and that's a nasty compound in it's own right.


-Have a powerful day ( I always wanted to say that) #Austinite

 

[jack3d4life]

Seems you're not ready mentally for this ride bro. Once you join the dark side your in man. That being said your tbol dose is super low. I'd say run it at 70mg at least but would personally bump to 80 if you want to see good results. Your other option would to be run it longer like 6 weeks at 70mg. Just my .02 on that subject. Another thing bro going in on cycle is like going in on getting high. You have the best possible outlook and you tell yourself it's gonna be dope because if you don't you're going to make it bad by over thinking the situation. You constantly worried about losing hair its going to trick your mind into seeing it whether that's the case or not

 

[Black Beard]

Yeah, don't do anything you might regret. That hair falls off, you're going to hate yourself. Is it worth some muscle you could have probably gotten naturally without all the nasty side effects? Reach your genetic limit, and trust me, it's higher than you think, then come back and decide

 

[thades]

For me, prescription strength Nizoral does incredible things in terms of saving the hairline, definitely use it everyday though. Not sure what other people experiences are, but I've also found that it makes one's hair very soft, which is another plus

 

[Rastas]

I didn't read all of this but essentially, if you're going to lose your hair, you're going to lose your hair. If you have a genetic predisposition to hair loss, AAS will only accelerate the inevitable. I'd be following Black Beard's advice. If you're 21 and you love your hair, stay away from the juice. If it's going to fall out anyway, decide how soon you'd like that to be.

 

[Black Beard]

Yep^^^


OP do you have any family history of alopecia? At what age? How about prostate enlargement/cancer? You probably think it's ironic that members of a steroid site are telling you how bad steroids are. It's mostly a combination of your young age and love of the fluffy stuff on your head that gives us so much incentive too talk you out of it for now. At least until you are willing to 100% accept the risk of hairloss, and maybe get a little more experience under your belt. Nobody can stop you from putting anything into your body. Ultimately the choice is yours as to what you do with it. We're just giving you a little friendly advice. If you have any further questions don't be afraid to ask.

 

[CamelMate]

Thanks for all the advice, I've researched AAS for quite some time this year and know that any advice is for my greater good. Granddad on mums side of family has a head full of hair, granddad on dads side is pretty bald. Dad just has a receding hairline at 40, so do not know myself if I am predisposed to MPB.

Either way, my goals for now are 90kg 8% (fitness model physique) and I know I can definitely get there naturally, without any of the risks and shouldn't take too long from where I am atm. Essentiall,y I am just doing research for future in-case I decide to start using gear. Thanks to all for responses

 

[sadpanda]

why has no one said anything about the fact that he wants to run an oral only cycle lol


OP listen, if you are predisposed to hairloss, your gonna lose hair

if your not, stay away from tren and ull be fine.

Side note, don't run an oral only... EVER waste of time, health, and money


risk to reward is shit tier


go grab urself some test.

 

[bushleaguechew]

why has no one said anything about the fact that he wants to run an oral only cycle lol


OP listen, if you are predisposed to hairloss, your gonna lose hair

if your not, stay away from tren and ull be fine.

Side note, don't run an oral only... EVER waste of time, health, and money


risk to reward is shit tier


go grab urself some test.

Stay away from tren, masteron, and winny

 

[Shredchem]

Why not do a deca+EQ cycle with a trt test base? You'll get much better gains and your hair will be safe.