Safest way to use test (what do you think!!)

[fmoncas]

Hello guys

I found an article in other website explaining the safest way to use test, however I have my concerns because even though the article sound very smart and logical I have never seen a log on the forums where people are actually using the same techniques.

Let me know your opinions. This is the link if somebody wants to read the full article.

http://www.extremefitness.com/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3509/Main/3509

Cycle is like this:

Weeks 1-10:
500mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar (finasteride) per day (1.25mg) to avoid balding and prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid Gyno and Edema
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg) to prevent testicular shutdown
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 11:
300mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg) to avoid balding and prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg) ) to avoid Gyno and Edema
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg) to prevent testicular shutdown
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 12:
200mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg) to avoid balding and prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid Gyno and Edema
1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg) to prevent testicular shutdown
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 13:
1.25mg of finasteride per day
.25mg of Arimidex every other day
100mg of clomid every day

Week 14:
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
50mg of clomid every day


comments anybody!!

 

[DADAWG]

the 50 mg of clomid used during the cycle isnt goint to prevent testicular shutdown , if it did you wouldnt need post cycle therapy . Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will prevent testicular ATROPHY during cycle but probablly wont be needed by most people on a basic 10 week cycle . tapering weeks 11 and 12 is a waste of time , just run it 10 weeks and start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after your last eth injection , ps a 3 week post cycle therapy (pct) is considered norm by most people .

 

[Stone]

Plus saw palmetto is supposed to do the same thing that the finasteride does. It's a natural 5-ar blocker, not point using this herb if you are using the real drug concurantly.

 

[robbyreflex]

Isn't Saw Palmetto used for liver protection in this case?

 

[fmoncas]

ok i also found this info about saw palmetto:

1. What is it and where does it come from?

Natural Saw Palmetto extract come from the berries of small palm trees. The extracts are comprised of various saturated and unsaturated fatty acids (no cholesterol) and sterols. The sterols contain beta-sitosterol and stigmasterol. Both appear to be active components of Saw Palmetto berries.

Saw Palmetto is a popular extract used by men. The Saw Palmetto palm trees bearing berries are found in the Southeastern United States. Bodybuilding.com sells only high-quality pharmaceutical grade Saw Palmetto extract.



2. What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?

Many studies have been done that confirm its beneficial effects in treating benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). BPH is a condition where the prostate gland may grow from the size of a walnut to as large as a small orange. Although this condition is not malignant, it can cause a blockage of the urethra and require surgery. Specifically, Saw Palmetto has been found to prevent the binding of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) to androgen receptors by inhibiting the conversion of testosterone into DHT. DHT appears to be a major factor in the onset of BPH.

3. Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Many men above the age of 50 experience BPH; therefore, supplementing with saw palmetto can be extremely beneficial.

4. How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?
To help prevent prostate enlargement, the recommended dosage is at least 160 mg per day.
Article: Experience the Health Benefits of Saw Palmetto!

Roughly one-half of the male population suffers from enlarged prostate, also referred to as benign prostate hyperplasia, or BPH. It's symptoms range from inflammation (prostatitis) to swelling of the prostate, and painful and frequent urination. The most common medical remedy for BPH is surgical removal of the prostate, which can lead to impotence, incontinence and increased risk of heart disease.

Prostate is enlarged by the action of dihydrotestosterone, DHT, which is a metabolite of the primary male hormone testosterone. The conversion of testosterone to DHT is facilitated by the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase. Recently, the drug Proscar has been approved, which essentially functions by inhibiting the action of this enzyme. The long-term side effects of Proscar, however, are not known.

Nature provides several remedies for the management of BPH, among which saw palmetto berries (Serenoa repens) have been found to be most effective. Saw Palmetto was traditionally used by American Indians as a remedy for increased frequency of urination during the night, atrophy of the testes, impotence, inflammation of the prostate and decreased libido in men. These beneficial effects of saw palmetto have been thoroughly corroborated by various studies carried out both in the United States and Europe.

Saw palmetto berries comprise of a volatile oil, which contains a variety of fatty acids, and is high in phytosterols. These ingredients not only control the conversion of testosterone to DHT but also block its binding to the prostate cells, which reduce the levels of inflammation and minimize the risk of prostate enlargement. Importantly, saw palmetto also has anti-estrogenic and anti-androgenic effects in addition to anti-inflammatory properties. Saw palmetto, thus, is one of Nature's best and safest remedies to promote male health, and increased vigor and vitality.


FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

How Quickly Does Saw Palmetto Work?
Saw palmetto berries may become effective with discernible benefits short periods of time. In some cases, it may be as short as six to eight weeks.
What Are the Side effects of Saw Palmetto?
No side effects of saw palmetto have been reported in any of the studies other than mild gastrointestinal irritation, which resolves of its own accord in a few days after the start of the regimen.

What is Recommended Dosage of Saw Palmetto?
Many different preparations of saw palmetto are on the market, some of which are standardized to phytosterols whereas other are standardized to fatty acids. It is best to do research to obtain the product that best describes the content of various active ingredients. Routinely, a twice-daily dose of 160 milligram of saw palmetto extract standardized to 85% fatty acids and sterols is recommended. From this, the amounts necessary for optimal beneficial effects can be calculated, given the percent standardization of any product.

Does Saw Palmetto Enhance Libido?
Yes, over time, saw palmetto has the potential of promoting healthy libido by triggering healthy biochemical processes in the prostate.

 

[fmoncas]

Ok! so according to your valuable information a SAFE TEST CYCLE will be something like this:

Weeks 1-10:
300 - 500mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar (finasteride) per day (1.25mg) to avoid Balding and prostate hyperplasia or 320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid gyno and Edema

Week 13-15 PCT
300 mg clomid day 1
100 mg clomid day 2-11
50 mg clomid day 12 - 21

 

[GymLift]

Ok! so according to your valuable information a SAFE TEST CYCLE will be something like this:

Weeks 1-10:
300 - 500mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of Fincar (finasteride) per day (1.25mg) to avoid Balding and prostate hyperplasia or 320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid gyno and Edema

Week 13-15 post cycle therapy (pct)
300 mg clomid day 1
100 mg clomid day 2-11
50 mg clomid day 12 - 21

Finasteride might cause a permanent reduction in DHT. For most men, this is a bad thing.

Do you have MPB?

For post cycle therapy (pct) w/clomid, I'm leaning towards something more like this:

Day 1-11: 100mg
Day 12-17: 50mg
Day 18-22: 25mg
Day 22-26: 12.5mg

But the protocol that you mentioned is a very standard protocol that works well.

 

[fmoncas]

Thank you mranak: with all the input that I have received I think that we can design a SAFE TEST CICLE that can help all the newbies including me to use test the safest way possible.

Ok you mention that using finasteride for long time might cause a permanent reduction in DHT. For most men, which is a bad thing. However you did not mention if 10 weeks is actually long time. So I am going to assume that 8 to 10 weeks is a long time to take Finasteride. for that reason maybe I would replace it for Nizoral Shampoo (to avoid hair loss) and 320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day to avoid prostate hyperplasia.

So far the safest test cicle will be like this:

Weeks 1-10:
300 - 500mg testosterone (Enanthate) per week
Nizoral Shampoo to avoid Balding
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day to avoid prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid gyno and Edema

PCT 2 weeks after the last shoot
Clomid
Day 1-11: 100mg
Day 12-17: 50mg
Day 18-22: 25mg
Day 22-26: 12.5mg

Do you guys think this will work well. your comments are well appreciated.

 

[fmoncas]

Mranak: Also, I don’t think I have MPB. I have a lot of hair and my father is 53 and my grandfather is 80 and they still have their hair.

I read somewhere that if you are not genetically prone to hair loss test is not going to cause you hair fall. Is this true?

Thanks

 

[JackednRipped]

I read somewhere that if you are not genetically prone to hair loss test is not going to cause you hair fall. Is this true?

Thanks

I still can but it is far less likely to.

 

[JackednRipped]

As far as the cycle: clomid is not necessary during the cycle, the post cycle therapy (pct) isnt long enough, if anything it's not existant since post cycle therapy (pct) should begin 2 weeks about your last shot to allow it to clear out of your system. There is also no need to taper the test dosage down at the end of the cycle.

 

[fmoncas]

Jackednripped:

Thanks for your info. do you think this will be enough for a first cycle:

Weeks 1-10:
300 - 500mg testosterone (Enanthate) per week
Nizoral Shampoo to avoid Balding
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day to avoid prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid gyno and Edema

PCT 2 weeks after the last shoot
Clomid
Day 1-11: 100mg
Day 12-17: 50mg
Day 18-22: 25mg
Day 22-26: 12.5mg

I am trying to do my first cycle. i am 29 yo. 9 years of training and bw is 203 lbs about 10% bf at 5'10". Safety is very important to me. thanks

 

[JackednRipped]

Jackednripped:

Thanks for your info. do you think this will be enough for a first cycle:

Weeks 1-10:
300 - 500mg testosterone (Enanthate) per week
Nizoral Shampoo to avoid Balding
320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day to avoid prostate hyperplasia
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg) to avoid gyno and Edema

post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after the last shoot
Clomid
Day 1-11: 100mg
Day 12-17: 50mg
Day 18-22: 25mg
Day 22-26: 12.5mg

I am trying to do my first cycle. i am 29 yo. 9 years of training and bw is 203 lbs about 10% bf at 5'10". Safety is very important to me. thanks

1-4 50mg prop ed
1-12 500mg enanthate ew
If hairloss isnt in your family then I wouldnt even bother with the nizoral. You can take saw palmetto if you like but there shouldnt be any need for it on a average cycle length like that with a low dose.
Pct 2 weeks after last shot of enanthate.
The normal post cycle therapy (pct) I use is 40mg nolva, 100mg clomid, .5mg letro for 30 days

 

[GymLift]

Mranak: Also, I don*t think I have MPB. I have a lot of hair and my father is 53 and my grandfather is 80 and they still have their hair.

I read somewhere that if you are not genetically prone to hair loss test is not going to cause you hair fall. Is this true?

Pretty much.