Schredder's cycle log............

I just don't get why breakfast needs to be interesting.

for me:
250g oats
1 protein shake
5g creatine

is all I ever need. What could possibly be more beautiful than that?
Tasty, sure there's more tastier breakfasts.....but my smug satisfaction that I have a better body than 99% of the world is a taste good enough for me :)
Man, I cant eat warm oatmeal anymore, I will gag! Breakfast has always been the hardest meal for me up until now. So I have to make food that tastes good, not just eat what I know I need and deal with it. I take what I need and turn it into something good. Same goes for all my meals. Building a great physique in my number one priority but I aint gonna suffer eating food that tastes like shit to do so.
 
So day off today brothers. My brain was telling me to go but my body was telling me not too. So I had to listen to the body. So big day of eating to recover and back at it tomorrow.

Had some BCAAs and creatine upon wakening

Breakfast was a shake consisting of......
1 cup egg whites
250ml 2% milk
1/2 cup oats
1 banana
2 tbsp PB
1/4 cup chocolate chip (melted)
1/2 cup dried coconut

Meal 2: 3 junior bacon cheese burgers from Wendys

Meal 3: 7oz chicken 10oz potato

Meal 4: 7oz chicken 10oz potato

Meal 5: going to be 2 cups greek yogurt with a banana and granola

Annnnnd meal 6 will be 60g shake with some 2 tbsp PB

Probably have something in the middle of the night too as I always do.
 
One other thing to mention is my recovery time is remarkable. I am only sore for one day and then muscle are nice and full again without the slightest bit of soreness. I feel as if I could train muscle group EOD but of course I dont. Legs are the exception though, they get so damn sore, like crazy sore for 2-3 day, I havent quite figures out why this is the only muscle group that does this.
 
One other thing to mention is my recovery time is remarkable. I am only sore for one day and then muscle are nice and full again without the slightest bit of soreness. I feel as if I could train muscle group EOD but of course I dont. Legs are the exception though, they get so damn sore, like crazy sore for 2-3 day, I havent quite figures out why this is the only muscle group that does this.
Damn brother I get you on this. Mine feel smashed, then in four days when I hit them again, they are still a little tender. I'm adjusting amount of volume per workout, to get dialed in. Keep killing that shit bro
 
ALWAYS killin it brother. If theres anybody strolling by (Zilla!!!)that might be able to shed some light on why legs in particular get MUCH more sore than anything else, Id appreciate that.

The only thing that gives some relief is epsom salt baths and of course stretching but I mean, no other muscle group does this and Ive talked to many individuals, even advanced bodybuilders who have the same issue.
 
Damn brother I get you on this. Mine feel smashed, then in four days when I hit them again, they are still a little tender. I'm adjusting amount of volume per workout, to get dialed in. Keep killing that shit bro
Seems like it doesnt matter what I do theyre totally smashed. High volume, low volume, high reps, low reps, I dont get it. I stay well hydrated and lots of protein. I do find if I add in BCAAs between meals that speeds the healing process up a bit. But man im talking like crippled sore not just tender. The odd time they dont get like that but most always they do.
 
ALWAYS killin it brother. If theres anybody strolling by (Zilla!!!)that might be able to shed some light on why legs in particular get MUCH more sore than anything else, Id appreciate that.

The only thing that gives some relief is epsom salt baths and of course stretching but I mean, no other muscle group does this and Ive talked to many individuals, even advanced bodybuilders who have the same issue.

I'm really keen to find this out to... I hardly get any DOMS in other bodyparts, apart from maybe a little bit in chest and lats... NEVER in shoulders, bi's or tri's - but legs.... jeeeez, I'm like a 90yr old man 48hrs after a brutal leg day!

To be fair, I get bad DOMS in calves too. I just find it weird, because surely you use your legs in day to day life more than any other bodypart... or maybe that's why... because the muscle fibres are structured in a way to enable us to walk, twist, turn etc at low intensity, so then when you throw explosive high intensity movements into the mix, the fibres find this alien...

Who knows! - You're right though, if anyone knows, zilla will! :)
 
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ALWAYS killin it brother. If theres anybody strolling by (Zilla!!!)that might be able to shed some light on why legs in particular get MUCH more sore than anything else, Id appreciate that.

The only thing that gives some relief is epsom salt baths and of course stretching but I mean, no other muscle group does this and Ive talked to many individuals, even advanced bodybuilders who have the same issue.

The main cause of soreness is usually damage to the connective tissue, which in turn causes an inflammatory reaction. The inflammation is part of an early triggering event for muscle growth. Eventually your muscles adapt, your connective tissue strengthens and the soreness is reduced.
All of this is necessary for your muscles to adapt because adaptation = growth.
But let's remember that connective tissue does NOT adapt as quickly as your muscles - steroids or not :)

As to why legs get it more than other muscle groups?
My educated guess is similar to bigben's view on this - your indirectly flexing your legs constantly in day-to-day life when walking, standing up, etc. This means you'll inevitably feel more soreness because all that connective tissue is being used all the time - despite the fact that it needs rest.
For example, do you notice that when laying in bed the soreness in your legs is completely gone or at least dramatically reduced? That's because the connective tissue isn't being used - its recovering.
If we compare to other muscle groups:
When are you actually flexing your chest during day-to-day life unless your pushing a lot of stuff? When are you flexing your back unless your pulling a lot? These muscles and the connective tissue surrounding them are hardly ever engaged for a sufficient amount of time during your daily life for you to feel any extra soreness.

To answer another question Schredder PM'd me, training a muscle group more often always reduces muscle soreness in the long run (that's why you felt it less man). The guys who train 1 muscle group per week are ALWAYS in more pain than those who do it twice or more - and let's remember that pain/soreness does NOT equal growth.

I know your a fan of constantly changing your workouts too man - be aware that this always leads to more soreness because your not giving your body, and the connective tissues, a chance to adapt & strengthen.
I know some people believe in the muscle confusion & not giving your body a chance to adapt, I've made my feelings clear on this nonsense before, but think about this - if your body doesn't have a chance to adapt, how is supposed to get stronger & grow?
Again, just something to consider for the future dude.

As a side note, I know some guys like using ice/Epsom salt baths, etc to reduce the soreness and that's absolutely fine PROVIDED your not doing it soon after your workout has finished.
The reason for this is simple: as I mentioned earlier, if you stop the inflammation your also stopping your body from adapting and reducing the maximum potential for muscle growth. All of this also means that you will feel sore after every workout simply because your connective tissues don't have the chance to adapt & strengthen.

Feeling sore after legs is fine, especially after a high intensity workout, but if you feel sore after every single workout - this isn't normal and should be addressed.
You will still make gains but if your connective tissues aren't able to ever adapt - your likelyhood of injuries is much higher, as many enhanced guys know all too well.
 
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The main cause of soreness is usually damage to the connective tissue, which in turn causes an inflammatory reaction. The inflammation is part of an early triggering event for muscle growth. Eventually your muscles adapt, your connective tissue strengthens and the soreness is reduced.
All of this is necessary for your muscles to adapt because adaptation = growth.
But let's remember that connective tissue does NOT adapt as quickly as your muscles - steroids or not :)

As to why legs get it more than other muscle groups?
My educated guess is similar to bigben's view on this - your indirectly flexing your legs constantly in day-to-day life when walking, standing up, etc. This means you'll inevitably feel more soreness because all that connective tissue is being used all the time - despite the fact that it needs rest.
For example, do you notice that when laying in bed the soreness in your legs is completely gone or at least dramatically reduced? That's because the connective tissue isn't being used - its recovering.
If we compare to other muscle groups:
When are you actually flexing your chest during day-to-day life unless your pushing a lot of stuff? When are you flexing your back unless your pulling a lot? These muscles and the connective tissue surrounding them are hardly ever engaged for a sufficient amount of time during your daily life for you to feel any extra soreness.

To answer another question Schredder PM'd me, training a muscle group more often always reduces muscle soreness in the long run (that's why you felt it less man). The guys who train 1 muscle group per week are ALWAYS in more pain than those who do it twice or more - and let's remember that pain/soreness does NOT equal growth.

I know your a fan of constantly changing your workouts too man - be aware that this always leads to more soreness because your not giving your body, and the connective tissues, a chance to adapt & strengthen.
I know some people believe in the muscle confusion & not giving your body a chance to adapt, I've made my feelings clear on this nonsense before, but think about this - if your body doesn't have a chance to adapt, how is supposed to get stronger & grow?
Again, just something to consider for the future dude.

As a side note, I know some guys like using ice/Epsom salt baths, etc to reduce the soreness and that's absolutely fine PROVIDED your not doing it soon after your workout has finished.
The reason for this is simple: as I mentioned earlier, if you stop the inflammation your also stopping your body from adapting and reducing the maximum potential for muscle growth. All of this also means that you will feel sore after every workout simply because your connective tissues don't have the chance to adapt & strengthen.

Feeling sore after legs is fine, especially after a high intensity workout, but if you feel sore after every single workout - this isn't normal and should be addressed.
You will still make gains but if your connective tissues aren't able to ever adapt - your likelyhood of injuries is much higher, as many enhanced guys know all too well.

Thankyou!

That, my friend, makes perfect sense!

Although I get pain absolutely everywhere after a tough leg day, not just in the connective fibres...
I presume this will just be trauma and pain tracking through the muscles though from the source.

Thanks for replying to my PM Zilla... I hear I wasn't the only one to message the maestro! ;)
 
One more question Zilla. Do you have an opiniom on whats better for recovery for LEGS, sitting and relaxing, or moving around, walking maybe even a light short cardio sess? My understanding is that sitting for lengthy periods of time decreases blood flow, so something tells me that maybe a little bit of both might be the way to go.

I dont do to much of either, just curious as to what you think.
 
I personally find a light short cardio session helps my recovery, but this varies wildly from person-to-person.

Both active & passive recovery can be helpful but you mentioned that training more frequently helped the soreness, so light cardio might be a good idea.
 
Ive actually tried something for a while which I dont really make mention of in this log. I dont do this all the time but from time to time I will. Lets take chest for example, say I train chest one day, the very next day ill actually go in and do lets say a couple set of 25-30 reps on a hammer strength machine. I find this help my muscles recover much faster. Possibly due to increased bloodflow and nutrient flow? I dont know, its something I read about so I tried it and it works.

Now ive never actually done this for legs as theyre just to fucking sore like I said. But I think I might just give it a shot after my next leg workout, tough it out, couple light sets of extensions and leg curls to get the blood moving.
 
I personally find a light short cardio session helps my recovery, but this varies wildly from person-to-person.

Both active & passive recovery can be helpful but you mentioned that training more frequently helped the soreness, so light cardio might be a good idea.

I've found this helps me too...especially noticed it during prep when I was doing lots of cardio, leg day or not...still going hard on legs but they were less sore two or three days later than they are now when I'm only doing cardio 2-3x/wk
 
Ive actually tried something for a while which I dont really make mention of in this log. I dont do this all the time but from time to time I will. Lets take chest for example, say I train chest one day, the very next day ill actually go in and do lets say a couple set of 25-30 reps on a hammer strength machine. I find this help my muscles recover much faster. Possibly due to increased bloodflow and nutrient flow? I dont know, its something I read about so I tried it and it works.

Now ive never actually done this for legs as theyre just to fucking sore like I said. But I think I might just give it a shot after my next leg workout, tough it out, couple light sets of extensions and leg curls to get the blood moving.

I have clients that do something similar, they do some "meta-bolic work" the day after the actual training session - circuit training is a good example of this, and an excellent way of strengthening connective tissue & tendons.

So by all means give it a shot man - just be careful not to go too hard (this is why I avoid it) and treat it like an extended warm up for your legs.
 
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