Second cycle, test again or NPP + low test? (On trt)

[oliverduke]

Hi guys

firstly, I'm on TRT 250mg test e every 10 days.

Due to that fact alone, and checkups i ran my last cycle of test prop but never again! the PIP was way too bad to handle again!

So I'm thinking of a low dose test cycle 300mg per week ish so it won't take too long to get back to TRT levels with NPP at 300mg per week?

SO
TEST 300MG/PW
NPP 300MG/PW

Im not fully educated on NPP yet and its potential side effects.

The obvious one is prolactin, and people run caber to combat this but i haven't yet researched dosages or possible side effects of caber itself?

Secondly, do you HAVE to run an anti prolactin agent or do some not get the sides?

thanks

 

[3J]

good morning... what are your goals on this cycle??

what are your current stats??

 

[oliverduke]

good morning... what are your goals on this cycle??

what are your current stats??

Lean bulk, just finished maintaining over summer. Im actually currently cutting for 2 weeks (developed an eating disorder and binge ate instead of refeeding, guess i was too lean for too long and body had enough plus mentally. I was in ibiza for 2 months which made things difficult diet wise too!

Stats
Bf% 8-10%
weight 70kg
height 5.7/8

Unfortunately Im holding some water/fat binge weight... but when i start cycle ill be back to prior condition!

 

[3J]

if youre going to blast, then blast..

i would take the test to 500 and the npp to 400

run prami at .25 to .5mg e3.5d to make sure your prolactin doesn't get out of control

and run adex at .25mg eod to start there..



as for your diet, what do you have planned??

 

[Megatron28]

Injecting Test E once every 10 days is not a good idea due to the half life. You should inject at least once every 7 days.

 

[Megatron28]

if youre going to blast, then blast..

i would take the test to 500 and the npp to 400

run prami at .25 to .5mg e3.5d to make sure your prolactin doesn't get out of control

and run adex at .25mg eod to start there..



as for your diet, what do you have planned??

Prami's half life is about 8 hours. I would recommend using it every day. Caber has a longer half life of about 65 hours and can be taken twice a week.

 

[oliverduke]

Injecting Test E once every 10 days is not a good idea due to the half life. You should inject at least once every 7 days.

Yeh i do 0,5 every 5 days. (doc doesn't know this)

Prami's half life is about 8 hours. I would recommend using it every day. Caber has a longer half life of about 65 hours and can be taken twice a week.

thanks, what about compatible sides of the two? and do they need to be run 100% or is it side dependant?

 

[oliverduke]

if youre going to blast, then blast..

i would take the test to 500 and the npp to 400

run prami at .25 to .5mg e3.5d to make sure your prolactin doesn't get out of control

and run adex at .25mg eod to start there..



as for your diet, what do you have planned??

Yeh id rather a lower dosed conservative cycle tbh, I'm not after huge gains and would rather minimise the side effects as much as possible.

As for diet, I'm spending the next two weeks in a deficit again to get rid of this bloat/fat gain from the binge.

Then the plan is to reverse diet from maintenance, diet is always clean and in tact (when not binging).

As for diet i know your quite knowledgable on the subject and I have a quick separate question, I have had at times bad water retention (abs, ankles) and have narrowed it down to two things.

1. low carb (more than 3 days) could this cause swelling and water retention?
2. iv taken clenbuterol, and swelling seems to occur around the same time as taking clenbuterol - could this be the cause?

 

[3J]

Yeh id rather a lower dosed conservative cycle tbh, I'm not after huge gains and would rather minimise the side effects as much as possible.

As for diet, I'm spending the next two weeks in a deficit again to get rid of this bloat/fat gain from the binge.

Then the plan is to reverse diet from maintenance, diet is always clean and in tact (when not binging).

As for diet i know your quite knowledgable on the subject and I have a quick separate question, I have had at times bad water retention (abs, ankles) and have narrowed it down to two things.

1. low carb (more than 3 days) could this cause swelling and water retention?
2. iv taken clenbuterol, and swelling seems to occur around the same time as taking clenbuterol - could this be the cause?

sounds like edema to me.. have you been checked by a doc??

doesn't make sense for you to go low carb and show signs of edema..

im not exactly sure about clen.. but to think that it causes your body to retain water seems far fetched to me also..

no health issues correct??

 

[3J]

Prami's half life is about 8 hours. I would recommend using it every day. Caber has a longer half life of about 65 hours and can be taken twice a week.

i know tron... but from past experiences ive seen twice a week dosages to keep things fairly in check.. verifed via bloodwork

that and prami can make you feel sick so the less the better..

 

[Megatron28]

Prami definitely makes me want to vomit. It is a tough medication to build up tolerance to. I prefer Caber.

 

[3J]

Prami definitely makes me want to vomit. It is a tough medication to build up tolerance to. I prefer Caber.

as do i, but i only find it in liquid form.. which is unstable

 

[Megatron28]

as do i, but i only find it in liquid form.. which is unstable

Let me know if you want some help with that.

P.S. Unless we are already good friends don't send me PM's asking where to buy Caber.

 

[3J]

Let me know if you want some help with that.

P.S. Unless we are already good friends don't send me PM's asking where to buy Caber.

yup.... no source checks people.. sorry!

 

[oliverduke]

sounds like edema to me.. have you been checked by a doc??

doesn't make sense for you to go low carb and show signs of edema..

im not exactly sure about clen.. but to think that it causes your body to retain water seems far fetched to me also..

no health issues correct??

Yeh its edema, on my last cycle I thought it was a reaction to the prop but iv had it again after, but only when taking clen which also sits with me doing some no carb days so I didn't know which it could be...

I think it could be the clen removing too much salt from my body and causing retention? It only seems to happen when I up clen from 80->120...

No other health issues, had full bloods last time I had it and they couldn't find anything bad slightly raised liver enzymes that when back down the following week... Unless clen was doing my liver over but it's not meant to be that liver toxic...

Who knows! It's gone again now and only came back for 2 days around the end of my 2 week clen cycle...

 

[oliverduke]

Let me know if you want some help with that.

P.S. Unless we are already good friends don't send me PM's asking where to buy Caber.

yup.... no source checks people.. sorry!

Thanks I'll look into both, do you need to run one only if you estro/prolactin raises? Or do you have to run it from the start?

Also any comment on my dosages? I know they are fairly conservative.

 

[bigben66]

I'm with 3J on this....
I'd raise the Test to 500mg... you won't have sides if you adjust your AI accordingly.
I very much doubt that you'll feel or in fact visually notice any difference by raising the Test to the amounts you have mentioned...
If I am going above TRT dose - I want to feel it!

The doses you have suggested, are barely above my TRT dose.

 

[oliverduke]

I'm with 3J on this....
I'd raise the Test to 500mg... you won't have sides if you adjust your AI accordingly.
I very much doubt that you'll feel or in fact visually notice any difference by raising the Test to the amounts you have mentioned...
If I am going above TRT dose - I want to feel it!

The doses you have suggested, are barely above my TRT dose.

Thanks, if I pin NPP eod and my test e every 4 days so it works out even pinning wise it would be

300mg NPP
430 test

Seems a bit better level wise and also makes pinning quite practical...?

 

[SJC]

People take Prami and Caber too much. If you manage E2 the likelyhood of needing either is slim to none. Have it around but don't just take it because you can.

Prami FUCKING SUCKS!!! You feel like shit, your sleep will go to shit and nausea is almost constant for a couple hours.

 

[bigben66]

Thanks, if I pin NPP eod and my test e every 4 days so it works out even pinning wise it would be

300mg NPP
430 test

Seems a bit better level wise and also makes pinning quite practical...?

Why are you so desperate to run NPP?

Makes more sense to run Deca if you're running Test E...