Should I add....

[billybob-15]

I am getting ready to start my first injectable cycle. I've only done orals previously. Anyway, I am going to run 1 cc of Sus250 and 1 cc of Deca per week, for 10 weeks. I have some Winstrol (winny) also, but I don't think I'll take it at this time. So, What I am wondering is if I should get some Liquidex to help keep the water retention down? I bloat real easy, and I dont want to hold a ton of water while I'm on. I have 23ga 1" pins by the way. Planning on Glute shots.

All input is appreciated.

 

[ectomorph]

I prefer letro to ldex, but either way... I would say yes go ahead and get it, just to be safe.

 

[billybob-15]

Letro looks pretty good. What doses should I take? Do I take it the whole 10 weeks I am on cycle? I assume I will need to get some nolva for PCT, won't I?

 

[Bimmer]

yes nolva for pct, hcg is nice also

 

[ruzzi360]

what bimmer said should b fine for pct..but i would use 1.5 in needles for the glutes..good luck man

 

[GymLift]

Drop the deca and do just the testosterone. Increase the testosterone to 500mg/week if you really want to do more than just 250mg of testosterone for your cycle.

 

[billybob-15]

I only have 10cc's of each. That's why I am running 1cc each.

 

[GymLift]

Then get 10cc's more of testosterone. If you can, get 20cc of long ester testosterone (cypionate, enanthate) instead of 10cc's more than sustanon. Don't run a stupid cycle just because of what you have. Save the deca for later.

If you take test and deca and get gyno, then you won't know which of the two is causing the gyno. This is one reason for running the testosterone first.

Any cycle should only introduce one new steroid.

 

[billybob-15]

You are right about the gyno. I had not thought about that.

But I though a Sus/Deca cycle would have been a pretty good one. A few guys I know have used the same stack as I planned with quite good results.

If you don't think I would do well with it, I'll see if I can unload the Sus/Deca and try to get some Enth.

 

[GymLift]

If you don't think I would do well with it, I'll see if I can unload the Sus/Deca and try to get some Enth.

Many of us on the board disagree about many things, but there is a strong consensus that a first a first cycle should be testosterone only and a nobody should be stacking multiple steroids during a first cycle. There was also a time when 500mg of deca/week was a very common for a first cycle, but deca shouldn't really be run without testosterone, so that pretty much excludes deca from a first cycle.

Now sustanon is testosterone, of course, and there isn't anything wrong with sustanon, but to take advantage of the short ester testosterones in sustanon, frequent injections are needed, and who wants to do frequent injections during a first cycle? If you are subject to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) testing, then you need to use a short ester testosterone and do frequent injections, no way around it.

But if you aren't subject to testing, then a nice long-ester testosterone (like cypionate or enanthate) is, in my opinion, the way to go. I think that others around tend to agree with this. But if sustanon is all you can get, then no big deal...it's just testosterone once the esters are removed, and we like testosterone.

 

[billybob-15]

How much letro should I run assuming that I go with it?

 

[GymLift]

If you run sustanon 250 once/week then I very much doubt you will need any letro. If you take it, then perhaps .75mg E3D. If you run testosterone enantahte 500mg/week, then maybe 1.25mg E3D.

 

[lionhead]

If you take it, then perhaps 75mg E3D. If you run .

Someone missed a dot... a very SERIOUS dot.

 

[lionhead]

Bro, you should go with mranak (and almost everyone on the boards advice) advice on 500 mg of test Enanthate for 12 weeks, I am myself on the very same cycle (will do third injection on thursday). I use letro from Cycle start at 0.5 mg eod and Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). Deca wont do u much good at 200 mg/week.

 

[billybob-15]

I forgot to post my change of mind. I'm getting rid of the Sus and Deca and getting Test enth to run at 500 mg per week for 10 weeks. I might add some Winstrol (winny) in there, what do you think? I will run Letro and Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). I don't remember proper post cycle therapy (pct) with nolva. 40mg/ed for 2 weeks then 20mg/ed for 2 more weeks?

 

[GymLift]

I forgot to post my change of mind. I'm getting rid of the Sus and Deca and getting Test enth to run at 500 mg per week for 10 weeks.

Good!

I might add some Winstrol (winny) in there, what do you think? I will run Letro and Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). I don't remember proper post cycle therapy (pct) with nolva. 40mg/ed for 2 weeks then 20mg/ed for 2 more weeks?

You have the post cycle therapy (pct) correct. Wait two weeks after you last injections prior to starting post cycle therapy (pct). If using liquid Nolvadex, then increase the dosage by 50% (60mg for 2 weeks, 30mg for two weeks).