shoulder surgery in the future...need advise

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brooklyn185

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The worst news possible today! I am about 8 weeks in on a 12 week test e cycle and during my workouts I have had some pain in the left shoulder. I pushed through it but finally got it checked out. Turns out I have a partial tear in the labrum, fraying and other technical terms. It appears that shoulder surgery is needed and sounds like an 8 week recovery after the surgery.

How do I proceed? Start PCT in two weeks? Should I modify the PCT due to the shortened cycle? I have Clomid and Nolva on hand.
 
What PCT did you have planned? It should never really change, unless your extending it for whatever reason. I would just PCT as soon as you can..
 
my original plan was :Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 per day/per week.

I pinned today before the DR appointment.
 
PrinceDianabol said:
Looks good. I would try and train everything you can whilst in pct.. Obiously dont injure your shoulder any further tho.
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Thats right, hit those legs and the side of your body that isnt injured. This is shitty news but youll be ok. Dont stop training altogether, thats the worst possible idea IMO. Youll be limited but do what you can.

I have a buddy who shatter one arm, bones stickin out and everything. Kept training one side and legs and within 6 months he was back benching 365 and actual achieved a personal best combined Squat, dead, bench. So keep you head up man, anything is possible.
 
Thanks for the advise and support! Definitely depressed as I was finally seeing some gains for thous cycle: Up from 198 to 209. Trained back and bi's tonight and could tell i was taking it too easy on myself. I see the official Ortho on Monday for the full diagnosis...today was with my Dr who was reading from the radiology report.

Will training one side hurt when I am ready to get back into it after recovery? Meaning one side too dominant?
 
I have had this surgery already. S.L.A.P. tear. Superior labrum anterior to posterior. Picture a golf ball sitting on a tee. Then the golf ball starting to separate from the seat on that tee. I had a 5mg tear with bankart and it took me 5 1/2 months of physical therapy. The shoulder still gives me problems to this day. The reality of it is it will never be the same, but it's not the end of the world. This is a common injury from bench pressing especially while on a cycle.

The advice that has been given is great. I've had 2 surgeries on my left shoulder. After my first surgery I trained legs during the whole recovery. When I was finally able to start deadlifting again I set a new PR.

Good luck. Let us know what they say at your next appointment.
 
Is the labrum torn all the way through? would you be able to get a copy of your MRI and post it so that i could take a look at it? if what you said that it is just frayed you wouldn't necessarily have to get surgery. a lot of doctors recommend getting a cortisone shot into the shoulder and doing physical therapy without the surgery if it is not torn all the way you should be able to heal in about a month. plus you will be able to continue your normal work outs as the cortisone shot will decrease inflammation and reduce the pain. i would talk to your doctor about this option before you jump right into just having the surgery. there are always other options. you did say it was only a partial tear so i would recommend getting the cortisone shot and doing some physical therapy. try it for a month and i think you would notice it starting to feel better. is it back or front of the shoulder where the labrum is torn?


Edit: I know you were not looking for doctor advise but i have some experience in this field and thought i would give you my opinion and at least an option for you to think about.
 
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I know someone who has torn their rotator cuff multiple times, you might want to look into Stem Cell treatment, in Mexico, or wherever is cheap and close to you. He's never had to have his rotator cuff operated on with complete tears. He gets stem cell treatment and it heals itself.
 
Captain America said:
I have had this surgery already. S.L.A.P. tear. Superior labrum anterior to posterior. Picture a golf ball sitting on a tee. Then the golf ball starting to separate from the seat on that tee. I had a 5mg tear with bankart and it took me 5 1/2 months of physical therapy. The shoulder still gives me problems to this day. The reality of it is it will never be the same, but it's not the end of the world. This is a common injury from bench pressing especially while on a cycle.

The advice that has been given is great. I've had 2 surgeries on my left shoulder. After my first surgery I trained legs during the whole recovery. When I was finally able to start deadlifting again I set a new PR.

Good luck. Let us know what they say at your next appointment.
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I agree with the advice to keep training other body parts, and I have dropped flat bench completely and have trained around a bad left shoulder for about twenty years. no problem with incline work strangely enough.
 
Bigboss12 said:
Is the labrum torn all the way through? would you be able to get a copy of your MRI and post it so that i could take a look at it? if what you said that it is just frayed you wouldn't necessarily have to get surgery. a lot of doctors recommend getting a cortisone shot into the shoulder and doing physical therapy without the surgery if it is not torn all the way you should be able to heal in about a month. plus you will be able to continue your normal work outs as the cortisone shot will decrease inflammation and reduce the pain. i would talk to your doctor about this option before you jump right into just having the surgery. there are always other options. you did say it was only a partial tear so i would recommend getting the cortisone shot and doing some physical therapy. try it for a month and i think you would notice it starting to feel better. is it back or front of the shoulder where the labrum is torn?


Edit: I know you were not looking for doctor advise but i have some experience in this field and thought i would give you my opinion and at least an option for you to think about.
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Looks like he said partial tear with fraying. That isn't going to heal with a cortisone shot. Mine was a partial tear as well and required 5 anchors. I think we need to wait and see what the ortho says. I would never do another cortisone shot. All that crap does is mask the pain. After I had one 3 days later the pain was back in full force not to mention the shot itself hurt like hell.
 
The shots due hurt and they reduce inflammation and labrum tears can heal if not torn all the way through I have seen it many time. The main thing with labrums is all about how your body feels you can work through a partial tear of you take physical therapy serious.
 
get a second opinion..

surgery is how a surgeon makes money.. often docs get ref feral fees for sending peeps to them for the knife

f course surgery is sometimes a necessity , just saying explore other routes

torn rotator cuff, told i would have maybe 40% recovery with surgery - 4 month phys therapy rehab, 90% recovery easily

torn acl, told i would have to abandon athletics - one year physical therapy and returned to the ring, 80% recovery

desiccated disc, two bulging disc - l1 l2 l3 was told survey could leave me incotinent and/or impotent
off my feet 3 months, after a full 2 years , 100% recovery

these were really very severe injuries..

recommended surgery for all those injuries, opted out and have never regretted my decisions - especially the disc injures
 
For sure get a 2nd opinion. Sorry this wasn't mentioned sooner. I have had 2 surgeries on the same shoulder. Why? Because the first dr was a work comp butcher! He went in and did a subacromial decompression. (Basically grinding down bone to clearance the AC joint to relieve impingement. ) the problem with that was he didn't fix the root of the problem which was a torn labrum!

I had an AC joint separation in my right shoulder that occurred during a thanksgiving day football game back in 1995. First dr wanted to do surgery. I got a 2nd opinion and they said I would be fine if I did physical therapy. I opted for physical therapy and this shoulder has been put through some serious abuse through the Marine Corps and me lifting and it is strong to this day.


Get that 2nd opinion for sure.
 
Captain America said:
For sure get a 2nd opinion. Sorry this wasn't mentioned sooner. I have had 2 surgeries on the same shoulder. Why? Because the first dr was a work comp butcher! He went in and did a subacromial decompression. (Basically grinding down bone to clearance the AC joint to relieve impingement. ) the problem with that was he didn't fix the root of the problem which was a torn labrum!

I had an AC joint separation in my right shoulder that occurred during a thanksgiving day football game back in 1995. First dr wanted to do surgery. I got a 2nd opinion and they said I would be fine if I did physical therapy. I opted for physical therapy and this shoulder has been put through some serious abuse through the Marine Corps and me lifting and it is strong to this day.


Get that 2nd opinion for sure.
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man. I'm really sorry to hear you went through that

pisses me off

i hate watching docs fuck with peoples health, so they can pull paycheck

an acupuncturist will tell y9u you need acu

a chiro will tell you you need adjustments

a physical therapist will tell you you need PT

a surgeon will tell you you need an operation(s) I've heard the surgery after surgery, to fix a single issue over and again

a general practitioner will write you scripts ( pain killers ) and keep you coming back without treating the root of the problem

a car salesman will sell you a car

the difference between the chiro /physical therapist and acu from the surgeon and general practioner?

the chiro the pt and acu aren't going to hurt you, they will help your body heal itself, which is ultimately what has to happen anyway - wether you get cut up or not

it is a paycheck to a lot of these fuckers, a lot of docs are struggling right now and less scrupulous ones will push whatever they can thats going to benefit their practice most - so be very wary of painkillers and surgeries, your pain and suffering is their livelihood

i tell everybody i can - with access to information that everyone has with internet these days, research and make decisions for yourself, there is no doctor who is more of an authority on you or your body than you are.. then pick the treatment and doctor that you feel will be the most beneficial for you..
 
Charles Bronson said:
get a second opinion..

surgery is how a surgeon makes money.. often docs get ref feral fees for sending peeps to them for the knife

f course surgery is sometimes a necessity , just saying explore other routes

torn rotator cuff, told i would have maybe 40% recovery with surgery - 4 month phys therapy rehab, 90% recovery easily

torn acl, told i would have to abandon athletics - one year physical therapy and returned to the ring, 80% recovery

desiccated disc, two bulging disc - l1 l2 l3 was told survey could leave me incotinent and/or impotent
off my feet 3 months, after a full 2 years , 100% recovery

these were really very severe injuries..

recommended surgery for all those injuries, opted out and have never regretted my decisions - especially the disc injures
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agree with Bronson. I was told by an MD buddy not to let them cut me after I tore my rotator cuff pitching in college ball. he said your shoulder will never be the same if they do and you have a better chance of letting your body heal up than to choose the surgical route. now I'm sure it's not the same for every body part, but he said not to let them at my shoulder, and his advice worked. my 2cnts.
 
Try Prolotherapy or Prolozone therepy. You can them with prp or stem celss too. I have done prolozone therepy done on my left shoulder. It worked for me.
 
Good news I guess? The ortho told me that everything on the radiologist report was correct but says it is more about my age and that everyone over 40 has some sort of Labrum tear. The fraying was from the bone rubbing the tendon. Does not suggest surgery.

He wants me to rehab with certain exercises and avoid benching, presses and exercises that cause this pain. I am thinking about getting a cortisone shot and staying with it.
 
brooklyn185 said:
Good news I guess? The ortho told me that everything on the radiologist report was correct but says it is more about my age and that everyone over 40 has some sort of Labrum tear. The fraying was from the bone rubbing the tendon. Does not suggest surgery.

He wants me to rehab with certain exercises and avoid benching, presses and exercises that cause this pain. I am thinking about getting a cortisone shot and staying with it.
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Great news man! Sounds like you're going to be fine.
 
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