Slin Question for Experienced

[WannaBe]

Okay...Did my homework for 2 months regarding post recovery slin supplementation (10g carbs/ iu and 5gms protein/iu). I know everything that needs to be done but I as well as others on the boards have an unanswered question. If slin is a hyper shuttle for your post recovery supplementation; shoving nutrients into the muscle cells, wouldn't it be more productive to consume 10 gms of protein per iu with 10iu of Humulin R instead of the recommended 5 gms per iu or would this result in excess spillover of protein into adipose tissue? It would make sense that due to slin's hyper shuttle properties that the more supps post slin the better. Thanks for your replies. I have scoured 10 boards as well as 2 diabetes websites and can not find the answer.

 

[RoadHouse]

Your muscles can only uptake so much protein, you mainly are trying to replace glycogen quicker, for better recovery, and stop muscle catabolism.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

I always use fast acting protien, IE. Whey PRotien Isolate during active time. I take in 3 shakes with 50 grams per during the active time of the slin. I have never heard of 5 grams per iu.

Also you dont have to take 10 grams of carbs per iu. Start with that and work your way down. I find that 5-7 grams per iu is better, as you dont store as much fat.

Read "Monster's Insulin Primer" on our article board....great info!

 

[WannaBe]

Thanks. Read and re-read. I am taking the plunge tomorrow. Been training for ten years. 5 natural, 5 intermittent AS. I am going to approach it slowly and maturely. It is definitely something to respect cuz it'll put ya 6 feet deep. I have learned not to shoot until that carb/protein/creatine/glutamine shake was ALREADY MADE and sitting in front of you (Knowing my luck, the house would catch on fire after taking my shot). I am not too concerned as I am going to start out at 2iu and work up 1iu/day stopping at 10iu. Probably drop the carbs to 6-7g/iu. Add some Citrate for fat gain if any. I have read peeps starting at 5iu of slin off the bat, but that is as wise as standing over the B-B-Q while lighting it. The insert in the slin states that some peeps are allergic to it. That is what the low start dose is for. Got the medium carbs/high protein meal 1 hour and 20 minutes past shot with a bottle of water/fructose mixed up and on stand-by until the duration has passed. Time to grow. And please, if anyone is thinking about doing this, think again, then think twice more. If you are still wanting to do it, research, research, research.

 

[RoadHouse]

I would buy glucose tabs. I have a cousin who is diabetic, and she takes one glucose tab if she is hypoglycemic. Besides, fructose is better at replacing liver glycogen than muscle glycogen. Honeslty, I would start off at 4ius, by the time you get up to 10ius you will be almost 2 weeks in. I guess its just two days difference, but I could probaly take 2 ius of insulin, and not even need any carbs, just the ones in my bloodstream. I usually take my solid food meal around 45 minutes ot an hour, no need to wait, but your using humulin (which isnt the best IMO for first timers) so i guess your good. With humulin, the peak is much harder to pinpoint down. I can wait up to an hour to an hour and a half after humulin before i get hypo. Humalog no longer than 20 minutes without carbs and I become hypo.

 

[ironmaster]

There is a big difference between using insulin for recovery and using insulin as an anabolic (only testosterone is more anabolic than insulin).

As others have stated, for recovery, a fast insulin like humalog is better and easier to manage. The goal here is to replenish glycogen stores as quickly as possible. So the importance of protein is secondary to getting a mix of complex and simple carbs into serum levels expeditiously.

For mass building, the slower insulins are preferable, albeit they do require more careful nutrition planning. I have had great results with time-release insulins like humulin-n. This is a 12 hour insulin. You will not experience peaks or spikes with N, but you need to intake protein and complex carbs throughout the day. This stuff will make you big all over if used correctly.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

Cool...IM, is it tough to keep the fat off, and do you take larger doses??

 

[ironmaster]

If you don't eat fat, you won't get fat, my friend.
Small protein and complex carb meals every 2-3 hours is the ticket. I set my alarm to get up in the middle of the night and eat, and then go back to bed. That's why a number of my posts are at 3 AM.

I don't ever exceed 20 iu per injection, but will do that twice a day when seriously trying to put on some size. Insulin seems to cause growth evenly over all body parts.
When using insulin for recovery, or to supplement GH, 10iu of humalog is just right.

 

[Juice Authority]

If you don't eat fat, you won't get fat, my friend.
Small protein and complex carb meals every 2-3 hours is the ticket. I set my alarm to get up in the middle of the night and eat, and then go back to bed. That's why a number of my posts are at 3 AM.

I don't ever exceed 20 iu per injection, but will do that twice a day when seriously trying to put on some size. Insulin seems to cause growth evenly over all body parts.
When using insulin for recovery, or to supplement GH, 10iu of humalog is just right.

Are you talking about just Insulin by itself or with GH?

 

[ironmaster]

The question was on insulin alone, I think, juice. So I like slower insulins and bigger doses if I'm bulking with just insulin and steroids.
If I'm just using insulin to compliment my GH cycle, I like the super fast insulin at a dose just sufficent to make up for any insulin resistence that I may encounter.

 

[RoadHouse]

In most studies on insulin, the only times it showed anabolistic characteristics, when they raised it to an extremely high dose, but these were done IV.

Little fun Slin fact taken from Nandi:
A power bar actually raises your insulin higher than 10ius of humalog, but the difference is, exo-insulin stays at a higher level for up to 2 hours, whereas the powerbar raises it for only a matter of minutes.

 

[WannaBe]

The humulin-N must be quite a regiment to follow. Then again, I take in a small meal or protein shake every three hours as well anyway and sometimes two to three times throughout the night when I get up to pee. May have to try that next after I get a few under my belt. Thanks again for all the informative replies. I just read also that Fructose is not absorbed too readily and should not be used as carbs post shake. ROADHOUSE also made a good point regarding Fructose and Glucose. Glad I am taking the time to fully understand this and glad to have bros (and sis) like yous guys that have already crossed the SLIN highway.