Stacking advice?

[Capt.]

so, i bought some dianabol of my usual guy, aswell as Cidoteston as an injectable to stack it with.

im 164lbs, 5ft 11, and i do carry a layer of fat over my muscles, but thats always been the case even when i was boxing competitively and running 5 miles a day (thats genetics for ya i suppose).

I was at 180lbs before christmas, having been off gear for well over a year, but a bout of pnuemonia and a serious stomach infection stripped the weight off me (down to 150lbs, but i seem to have hit a wall at 164lbs.

im looking at stacking 25mg (maybe 30mg) of dbol daily, along with 2ml cidotest a week.

now my guy reccomended i wait til he gets some Sustanon (sust) in a week or so, and stack all 3 to get better gains.

I have no desire to be exremely massive, i just want some size back on me, and to look "good".

will the dbol and cidotest be enough to do that, or should i be waiting for the sust?

thanks in advance (and sorry for the essay)

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

what the hell is cidotest? how many mg/ml is it?

you dont wanna gain weight but your gonna eat dbol

 

[Capt.]

what the hell is cidotest? how many mg/ml is it?

you dont wanna gain weight but your gonna eat dbol

sorry, cidoteston is something id never came across, but a few friends have used it and said they saw good gains.

http://anabolkoks.prv.pl/cidoteston.JPG

http://demo.use-trade.com/osc/images/DSCF5703.JPG


and i do want to gain weight, i just dont want to be massive, just some decent size gains

maybe back to my origional size before illness, possibly a bit bigger (190lbs)

sorry, new to the forum, let me know if im not clear

Thanks

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i dont think you need the sust-just 500mg of the cidotest

i would bump the dbol to 50 though.

whats your PCT plan?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

cidoteston = testosterone enanthate

 

[Capt.]

yeah adding the Sustanon (sust) seemed a bit extreme to me when if i was already taking dbol & test enanthate, but hes obviously more experienced than me, and hes always kept me right in the past... just this seemed extreme

also PCT plan isnt a term ive heard, sorry new to forums, can you explain?

sorry if i seem like an idiot

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

how old r u?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

PCT = Post Cycle Therapy

guys who cycle and do not run it properly are taking a good chance of ruining their loved one's. ( your balls )

 

[Capt.]

24, and ive only previously done a course of decca & test prop, which i gained ridiculously off, to the point where my mate thought i was stacking more gear that id bought elsewhere, and a course of decca & dianabol, which at the time i was fighting regularly and training heavy cardio and also saw bigger gains than many people expected, especially considering my ammout of cardio (i dont know if this is common or some people see better effects than others as theyre prone to certain effects and whatnot).

PCT, last time we sat down as my cycle was coming to an end, and he advised me on lowering the dosage gradually, then advised me on what to take and everything went fine and i had no side effects.

my aerobic fitness suffered a little, but its to be expected when carrying around so much extra weight

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

here's the deal bro-im sure your friend is a good guy, and that he would never steer you wrong intentionally. But you need to run a PCT after every cycle.

when you use steroids, your brain tells your balls to stop making test. so they shrink. when you stop taking the AAS then your balls are still dormant, the longer it is this way the more gains you will lose. It could also be permanent.

so the idea is to get are balls working as fast as possible, so there is less time when we have no or low testosterone and you muscle is wilting away.

HCG is a good idea too-you need to spend some time researching it.

this is what you should do.

1-4 dbol 50mg ED
1-12 testoterone 500mg a week-split into 2 shots
15-18 PCT-clomid 50mg ED

so basically you wait 14 days after your last shot of enanthate, so that blood levels will be back to normal range, then start your PCT.

you need to spend some more time reading, your guy sounds like he's got you on the right track, but there are a few things you can teach him.

 

[Capt.]

yeah hes a sound guy, just hes around 5ft 9, and built like a tank, hes all about the mass, where i want to train partly for shape and build, and partly for fighting.

i heard someone talk the other day how they take their dbol 5 days a week then take the 2 days over the weekend off. not something i was planning but is this a common practice?

also last time i took 50mg a day of dbol, i did get huge quick (as i say, all gear seems to have a bigger anabolic effect than normal), hence my reasoning of maybe taking 30mg per day. what do you think?

im looking into hcg as we speak.

also any pointers on what i should be looking at as a pct?

im sure i'll be kept right, but if i have an idea i like to be a bit clued up, so i can start scouring the net before i sit down with him and sort it out

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you can do 30mg ed of dbol-but your 165 trying to get to 190-so even if you gain 25lbs on this cycle-10 will most likely be water. so you got a couple cycles to go before your a sound and steady 190.

dont take days off on the dbol-people do that to save money.

other then that research HCG-and follow the schedule i laid-as far as timing goes

 

[Liftbig11]

Oak has you set right get pct planned and you will be g2g for a great cycle.

 

[Capt.]

thanks a lot guys.

ive posted on a few forums for advice and you wouldnt believe the horrendous responses you get haha, this has been really helpful and informative.

so i'll run:

1-4 wk 50mg Dbol (thanks The-Det-Oak)
1-12 wk 500mg Test E (as id planned)

then

15-18 wk clomid 50mg ED (thanks again)

then after week 19 start again with a second cycle? or give it an extra week?

and no need for the Sustanon (sust) i was reccomended to get by my mate??

also, any reccomendations for a second cycle would be a massive help.

Thanks again guys

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

then after week 19 start again with a second cycle? or give it an extra week?

no. you need to wait like 20 weeks before you do it again.

no need for sust-if any thing just up the test you have to 750. but you prolly wont need to.

dbol is fucking great, you will feel like a stud on it. and your strength will be ridiculous.

if anything, for this cycle, i would run some more dbol at the end.

 

[Capt.]

thanks a lot

been a massive help

 

[irishmaniac]

thanks a lot

been a massive help

make sure you run HCG!!!!!!!! your boys will thank you!!!!!!!!!!!