same one thats been posted for months. page six of the deadlift sticky. the same routine you said you was gonna start in a couple of months 4 months ago. its prolly the same one or similar to the one i sent ya. its a generic one that works for most. it will need tweakin to suit an individuals needs. that costs though. as does diet and supp advise. you can loose BF, get stronger and add muscle at the same time. I got several doing it. or you can get stronger at an accelerated pace while loading up on food and supps, clean or not. as a mater of fact i do not recoomned juicing until late 20s for some and longer for others. if you making gains you dont need it. now if you competing thats another subject but for the average gym rat, no. most guys have no idea on how to manipulate hormones anyway. they just randomly pick some stuff and have at it. there is a science to this stuff believe it or not. your physical attributes and goals must be considered before you pick a stack. I am a believer in long cycles as well. short cycles result in short results. PERIOD!!