Stumbling in the dark...

[cbrmarc]

Thats what it feels like anyway. I'm not sure what to list from my lab work but here it is:

40 y/o male, muscular build, 38 inch waist
6' 235 prior to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (251 now)
some erectile dsyfunction prior to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), nothing serious- thought it was stress/ kid related
3 kids, one is 10 months old - 0 health problems
eat healthy 6 days a week, cheat meal on 7th day

workout 6 days a week, HIT training w/ 40 min cardio everyday (except leg day)

no surgery to report/ concussion in 2004/ left shoulder RC tear in 2006

chemistry:
creatine 1.34
calcium 9.5
cholesterol 150 MG/DL
Triglyceride 115
HDL 44 MG/DL
LDL 83
B12 564 pg/mL

Testosterone total 198 ng/dL (low according to doctor)
T4, Free 1.1 ng/dL
TSH 1.65 mIU/L
Vitamin D total 16 ng/mL

nothing else on the report stood out to me.

My doc is a Internal Med doc. He prescribed Vitamin D and Testosterone Cypionate.

I started the last week in Jan/ 2011. He started me off with 2cc's every 3 weeks. That sucked. I felt a little kick the first 5 days and then nada. I complained so he gave me 2cc's every 2 weeks, still no change, i feel good for about 5 days and then a steady decline in mood/ sense of well being.

i'm not sure what to do. libido got better, morning erections are back but other than that i feel like a yoyo.

no gyno/ or testes soreness. no acne. i see a small change in the gym with my appearance, pumps are better. I do get really red compared to before while working out.

any help would be appreciated.

 

[MoparMuscle]

I'd get some info on the 1/2 life of test c and give that to him, ask for once a week. Will he let you pin yourself because that would make it easy as you could split the dose up to twice a week (I would at least ask). If you can't get him to work with you and you don't mind paying out of pocket (no insurance), Chip would be able to set out up probably.

So 2cc = 400mg? If so your on 200mg a week, have you had bloods done to check current levels?

 

[keith1569]

shoot 2cc every 2 weeks..ya def see if you can convince him to let you do 1cc every week. it will also keep you blood levels more stable so your hormones wont fluctuate as much.

Keith

 

[cbrmarc]

I'd get some info on the 1/2 life of test c and give that to him, ask for once a week. Will he let you pin yourself because that would make it easy as you could split the dose up to twice a week (I would at least ask). If you can't get him to work with you and you don't mind paying out of pocket (no insurance), Chip would be able to set out up probably.

So 2cc = 400mg? If so your on 200mg a week, have you had bloods done to check current levels?

I got a shot (2cc) monday. It usually takes about 48 hours to "feel" the effects. I'm on the up swing right now. By wed of next week i'll be feeling the lows.

Blood work will be done in 2 weeks. I'll be curious to see what it looks like for sure.

Man, I didn't know Test C had a half life. I'm glad i found this site.

My goal is to feel normal again. I want the top of the normal levels, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks.

 

[MoparMuscle]

Try to get him to split it into once a week 100mg. I'd really try for home/self injections so much less hassle/expense for you not havin to go in all the time.

 

[cbrmarc]

Try to get him to split it into once a week 100mg. I'd really try for home/self injections so much less hassle/expense for you not havin to go in all the time.

I have it at my house, he can't keep it at his office so I have a 6 month supply. My Doc is great, didn't even flinch with prescription. I'm slated for 5 more refills. I'm going to call him and see what he thinks.

I'll let you know what he says and i'll post up the blood work in two weeks.

 

[cbrmarc]

I forgot to ask, should i be worried about estrogen levels etc or is the dose to low?

 

[MoparMuscle]

You will know about estro with the blood test, some guys don't need an AI

If you have it at home and pin yourself why don't you just pin once a week?

If you need more pins get 23g 1" and extra 1" and 1.5" 23g tips from cheappinz (google) cheap and fast shipping.

 

[cjw2021]

Call Chip and he will get you figured out. It's more complicated than 99% of the MDs think. Front loading you off the start with 400mg is not a good idea, and you need more items than what you got from your doc unless you just want to get fat.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

WHATEVER THE DOSE IS THAT YOU AND YOUR DOC AGREE ON, SHOULD BE SPLIT UP AND ADMIN EVERY 5TH DAY. REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU SAID HE IS A GREAT GUY AND FRIEND, HE STILL NEEDS TO PAY FOR BEING A COMPLETE IDIOT AND SUGGESTING EVERY 3 THAN 2 WEEKS FOR INJECTIONS. SINCE HE IS YOUR FRIEND, YOU EITHER NEED TO POUR A BEER OVER HIS HEAD OR FUCK HIS WIFE IN THE ASS WHEN SHE'S DRUNK. (UNLESS THIS DOC IS YOUR BROTHER IN LAW). IF HE WASN'T A FRIEND, I KNOCK HIS FUCKING TEETH DOWN HIS THROAT CAUSE HE STILL HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING.

 

[cbrmarc]

Chip, help me out then. He's not my friend. He's just the only doc who would listen to me. Where do I go from here?

 

[cbrmarc]

Help me help my Doc to understand. I don't have pins at home, just the T. What else do I need so u can tell him and I can fix this.

 

[Not7fifteen]

Ur dic gave you test to take home but no pins? I'm in the same boat but declined treatment at this point as I want to do it right or not do it at all but Im trying an attempt to restart my natural production before hopping on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life

Listen to chip he'll give u the real deal no bs

Most PMDs are ignorant when it comes to TRT

 

[cbrmarc]

Yeah, he sent me home with the T and no pins. I can get the pins but I'm lost when it comes to this. It's new to me. I went in for routine blood work, I was surprised when he gave me the low T number. It explains a lot tho. What do I do to get on chips program, I can't go back now

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Cbrmarc... Its simple bro. Go to my website and " SHAMWOW"!!!!! j/k... I'm bigger than that guy. Submit online medical questionnaire and youll immediately be sent back a response to guide you through the start up process. Now keep in mind, bro, I have literally put years of thought into making this process "Chip" proof, because the true depth of my computer knowledge runs neck and neck with that of a clapping monkey! Get on line. Get your abs back for spring, and start banging whores relentlessly! They deserve it. And they want it. And you can be the one to give it!!!! (unless you got a wifey, then shell just have to adjust YO al the new found "TLC"

 

[riprockwell]

Yeah, he sent me home with the T and no pins. I can get the pins but I'm lost when it comes to this. It's new to me. I went in for routine blood work, I was surprised when he gave me the low T number. It explains a lot tho. What do I do to get on chips program, I can't go back now

Your best bet is to give Chip a call and he will definitely take care of you. Not bashing your doctor, but obviously there are some things that he just doesn't know and it looks like testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is one of them. It's alright because this problem you have is fixable. With blood work, you will be able to see where you stand. Besides that, you will want to throw in some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for the sake of your "ballsack." Depending on your bloodwork, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) may or may not be needed but one thing for sure is that you will need more frequent injections. I inject twice per week for my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol. Chip will get you squared away so don't sweat it!!

EDIT: Looks like CHIP already got you taken care of!!

 

[toshort]

Call Chip, nuff said......

 

[MoparMuscle]

You do know that pins are legal, cheap and easy to buy? Right?

AI might or might not be needed, blood test will show.

Hcg: I know some guys that have never run it who still function fine but they must have tiny balls lol....

Call Chip, will make things simple for you.

 

[cbrmarc]

Update

Thats what it feels like anyway. I'm not sure what to list from my lab work but here it is:

40 y/o male, muscular build, 38 inch waist
6' 235 prior to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (251 now)
some erectile dsyfunction prior to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), nothing serious- thought it was stress/ kid related
3 kids, one is 10 months old - 0 health problems
eat healthy 6 days a week, cheat meal on 7th day

workout 6 days a week, HIT training w/ 40 min cardio everyday (except leg day)

no surgery to report/ concussion in 2004/ left shoulder RC tear in 2006

chemistry:
creatine 1.34
calcium 9.5
cholesterol 150 MG/DL
Triglyceride 115
HDL 44 MG/DL
LDL 83
B12 564 pg/mL

Testosterone total 198 ng/dL (low according to doctor)
T4, Free 1.1 ng/dL
TSH 1.65 mIU/L
Vitamin D total 16 ng/mL

nothing else on the report stood out to me.

My doc is a Internal Med doc. He prescribed Vitamin D and Testosterone Cypionate.

I started the last week in Jan/ 2011. He started me off with 2cc's every 3 weeks. That sucked. I felt a little kick the first 5 days and then nada. I complained so he gave me 2cc's every 2 weeks, still no change, i feel good for about 5 days and then a steady decline in mood/ sense of well being.

i'm not sure what to do. libido got better, morning erections are back but other than that i feel like a yoyo.

no gyno/ or testes soreness. no acne. i see a small change in the gym with my appearance, pumps are better. I do get really red compared to before while working out.

any help would be appreciated.

Total testosterone was tested a week ago. The new results;

298 ng/ dL
to
1065 ng/ dL

Free testosterone is 288.6 pg/ mL now, back in Jan. it was

Nothing else changed. I think it was high because the test was done 3 day after my 2cc injection.

The doc freaked and told me to back off to 1cc every two weeks. I bought pins and I'm doing 1cc every 5 days, I feel great on this, no yoyo effect. no acne. My joints hurt a little. My weight is 260 right now. I started at 235 lbs back in Jan. I'm sure a lot of the weight is water retention. The gym is going well. The doc still hasn't addressed Estrogen levels or HCG as of yet.

 

[cjw2021]

You gotta look at estrogen/shbg. Call Chip if you are tired of dicking around and you'll feel 3 times as good easily.