fit4life47
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Folks any idea what the half life of sustanon 250 would be. Doc wants to inject 1ml once a month ?
Sustanon 250 what is the half life as this contains multiple esters
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Megatron28
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You should go by the shortest ester since that is the lowest common denominator. Therefore Sustanon is typically injected every other day to maintain stable hormone levels.
Using a single estered testosterone is much better for TRT. One with a long half life. Cypionate, Enanthate or Nebido are typically used for TRT. The first two can be injected once or twice a week depending on your preferences. The latter can be injected once or twice a month depending on your preferences.
Using a single estered testosterone is much better for TRT. One with a long half life. Cypionate, Enanthate or Nebido are typically used for TRT. The first two can be injected once or twice a week depending on your preferences. The latter can be injected once or twice a month depending on your preferences.
fit4life47
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Yes this was my concern as well but the doc said that this was specifically designed to take care of my Peaks and trough worries. The multiple esters are supposed to take care of this... a once a month shot is what concerns me the most but i suppose i have to start somewhere and he is the doctor and was willing to work with me on this so i was thinking that if i do this first and see how it goes then i can discuss other options to smooth it out later. We will also have some data to back it up.... I am going to get the first shot on Monday.
if this isn't normally used for TRT then what is it used for?
if this isn't normally used for TRT then what is it used for?
Megatron28
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They came out with it decades ago (in the UK I believe) and the idea was that the different esters would smooth out the peaks and troughs. It was found to not work well. It is considered a very obsolete protocol and drug now. Nobody really recommends it for TRT these days.
Just tell your doc that you want to do self-injections at home and then you can inject it as often as you wish. Surely your doc will agree that more frequent injections are better than less frequent if the dosage is kept the same over a given time period.
How many mg is he going to inject once a month? I am envisioning that you are about to get a whole lot of What injected in you.
Regardless of dose, be prepared to feel like complete shit by the end of your first month. Your TT levels will like be much lower than they currently are in your hypogonadal state. And you very likely will have estradiol problems due to aromatization. Even if he gives you an AI, it will be very difficult to figure out how much to use in the beginning or the month and the end of the month.
What could try do you live in?
Just tell your doc that you want to do self-injections at home and then you can inject it as often as you wish. Surely your doc will agree that more frequent injections are better than less frequent if the dosage is kept the same over a given time period.
How many mg is he going to inject once a month? I am envisioning that you are about to get a whole lot of What injected in you.
Regardless of dose, be prepared to feel like complete shit by the end of your first month. Your TT levels will like be much lower than they currently are in your hypogonadal state. And you very likely will have estradiol problems due to aromatization. Even if he gives you an AI, it will be very difficult to figure out how much to use in the beginning or the month and the end of the month.
What could try do you live in?
fit4life47
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I'm in Ireland so you are correct in your assumption. I will only get the Testosterone i already spoke to him about hcG and this is not an option.. I can only assume that an AI will be out of the picture as well. I am nervous about how this is going to be given and worried about the crash.... i will be getting 1ml of 250 mg/ml a month..
And i spoke about more frequent injections and he is not receptive to it yet... this is why i wanted to get the data back and show him....
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Megatron28
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250mg per month!!!!!??????
A standard TRT dose of testosterone is 100-200mg per week. He is putting you are the equivalent of ~60mg per week.
I strongly recommend that you do NOT start TRT with this doctor. You will feel worse than you do currently. Your TT will be lower than your current hypogonadal natural levels are (most likely) for much of the month. You will be on a gigantic rollercoaster ride on that protocol.
I know this is not what you want to hear, but I think you need to keep looking for a new doctor. Or go in with the mindset that you are using this doctor as a means to an end.
Just for reference, I take 100mg twice a week of Test Cyp and it keeps my TT around 1000-1100ng/dl.
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fit4life47
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Ok so I am a bit worried but I have to start somewhere and reading about this particular steroid, on average, it should last up to 21 days... The doctor I'm seeing I have to say, I have a great deal of respect for, so with that being said, I may end up on the roller coaster to start with but I would think that once we see where I'm at, we will be able to work together to get me dialed in. He has and endo he is going to speak with as well post my original injection concerns of once a month. So will just have to wait and see what comes out of that.
When we speak about this roller coaster. ...what can I expect or should I prepare for? I can ask my wife to watch for me as well.
Just also want to say thanks for all your support Megatron as I'm pretty nervous even staring this. Actually shitting myself but excited to at least get started on the road to getting this fixed. I will also keep a diary of how I am feeling day by day after the injection.
When we speak about this roller coaster. ...what can I expect or should I prepare for? I can ask my wife to watch for me as well.
Just also want to say thanks for all your support Megatron as I'm pretty nervous even staring this. Actually shitting myself but excited to at least get started on the road to getting this fixed. I will also keep a diary of how I am feeling day by day after the injection.
Megatron28
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You should really ask for Nebido which is the preferred TRT form of testosterone in the UK. You could do once-monthly injections with that form.
fit4life47
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Dude you are the man... Thanks for that information. I will talk to the doc about that.
What dosage per month?
What dosage per month?
Megatron28
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That is tricky. Once a month isn't the standard beginning protocol for Nebido. They like to give you big dose to start and a follow-up injection 6 weeks later. Then once ever 3 months. If I recall correctly, it is dosed at 250mg/ml. I think they usually inject 3-4ml at a time on this protocol. If you injected more frequently you would adjust the dose of course.
bigben66
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Hey buddy, I'm in the UK and I started my TRT on Sustanon like yourself - with no success whatsoever. They will be willing to drop you to 250mg every 3 weeks, but no less than that.
Luckily my blood levels were still dismal at this dosing protocol - so I suggested to him to try Nebido.
He agreed, and I've been on Nebido for 18 months and find it great - BUT it did take a while to dial in (approx 6/7 months)
If you respect your doctor, and want to play the game. Then take the Sustanon over the course of the month, your bloods won't lie - you'll need more Test - so suggest you lower it to 3 weeks, again, playing the game. I would imagine your bloods (and personal feelings) will still suggest you are below range. I was, a lot!
If you get to this stage, ask him if you can try Nebido (Test Undecanoate) - it's a very slow releasing ester that is becoming more and more popular here in the UK.
If you get this far, by all means PM me to find out how I got myself dialled in.
By the way, I urge you to research, research and research some more - becuase in no time at all - you'll know more than your doc does about this. - UK docs suck when it comes to TRT!
Also, AI's and HCG - don't even ask. That's a big fat NO - so if you need them, you'll have to find them elsewhere.
Good luck buddy, you're in good hands on here...
BigBen
Luckily my blood levels were still dismal at this dosing protocol - so I suggested to him to try Nebido.
He agreed, and I've been on Nebido for 18 months and find it great - BUT it did take a while to dial in (approx 6/7 months)
If you respect your doctor, and want to play the game. Then take the Sustanon over the course of the month, your bloods won't lie - you'll need more Test - so suggest you lower it to 3 weeks, again, playing the game. I would imagine your bloods (and personal feelings) will still suggest you are below range. I was, a lot!
If you get to this stage, ask him if you can try Nebido (Test Undecanoate) - it's a very slow releasing ester that is becoming more and more popular here in the UK.
If you get this far, by all means PM me to find out how I got myself dialled in.
By the way, I urge you to research, research and research some more - becuase in no time at all - you'll know more than your doc does about this. - UK docs suck when it comes to TRT!
Also, AI's and HCG - don't even ask. That's a big fat NO - so if you need them, you'll have to find them elsewhere.
Good luck buddy, you're in good hands on here...
BigBen
fit4life47
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Thanks for the info Ben will definitely PM you. It sucks that the docs are this far behind over here. ... I just hope the roller coaster is too bad while I'm trying to get this sorted. It makes me wonder of all the hassle is worth it.
bigben66
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I've been through it, and now I've come out the other end... I can assure you it is most definitely worth it.
I won't lie, you have a testing few months ahead, where you'll despair on the NHS and the doctor's lack of knowledge - but arm yourself with research, make persuasive suggestions whilst playing the game, and you'll get there.
Keep us informed!
PS: Don't assume that because the majority of the forum users on here are from the US - that they can't help you. Obviously their methods differ from ours, at times drastically. But the end goal is the same and their experience and help is awesome.
Megatron in particular helped me massively through my dark days and helped me make sense of it all. I don't forget sh*t like that.
fit4life47
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Absolutely Ben
a wonderful group of people here. It's great comfort knowing that I have a support network.
Do you know what would be the best times to get my blood work done post my shot tomorrow to see where my peak and trough is? Should I get it done a week after then two weeks after that?
What do you think?
bigben66
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Hasn't your doctor told you when he wants them done?
fit4life47
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I think he said post the first month but I would think I should do it twice in the month.
Should be easy enough as its only 35 euro.
This way my doctor and I can review the hard facts about the cycle and hopefully we can agree to making adjustment or change the testosterone to something like Nebido
fit4life47
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I was reading up on Sustanon and I should peak in 24 hours and then it's supposed to level off and then drop over time... Was this your experience?
What am I going to feel like? Will I know when I'm at the peak level? From what I've been reading on this site while in the trough I'm going to feel like shit...am I going to be able to work? I'm getting the jitters a bit.
When should I get the first bloods done? Should I wait a week or should I get them sooner?
Should I see an endo? my doc has a contact for one. I wanted to stay with this doctor because he let me choose shots over gels etc. So I thought he was willing to work with me but he may not be up to date with the latest treatment. But if I'm totally honest I'm worried about the costs of seeing an endo in Ireland. Every time I go to the doc it's costing me money. I think the first hit for an endo visit is 250. I really want someone who is going to work with me and not dictate to me. I need be a part of the process and honesty I don't know if I am yet. Only the coming days and weeks will confirm this.
Plus this is a very personal thing for me.
I'm still trying to come to terms with the fact that I have low T. It was also confirmed that my bone density is a little low so getting more bloods done tomorrow to rule out anything else other then the correlation to low T.
The bottom line is I'm having a hard time excepting something is wrong with me and that I will need to supplement the rest of my life.
Sorry man my heads all over the place
bigben66
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My GP referred me to a Urologist... I had to pay for a private consultation initially, but everything after that was via NHS prescriptions.
Whether or not you choose to stay with your GP or go to a Urologist is your choice. Only you can make that call.
If he is willing to give you shots - I'd ride it out with him, until you get to a stage where you aren't happy, and think you need more help than he can give.
To be honest, your bloods need to be done, when he tells you to do them - I'm very surprised he has given you free reign on when to get them done.
Sorry to say this, but yes... at those doses, the Sustanon will make you feel sh*t!
I totally understand how you are feeling - I had some terribly low days too - but then when I looked around, there were a whole host of people a LOT worse off than me, and I could see light at the end of the tunnel.
The simple truth is: you will come through this and you will feel good about yourself again. You just need to go through the dialling in period.
Whether or not you choose to stay with your GP or go to a Urologist is your choice. Only you can make that call.
If he is willing to give you shots - I'd ride it out with him, until you get to a stage where you aren't happy, and think you need more help than he can give.
To be honest, your bloods need to be done, when he tells you to do them - I'm very surprised he has given you free reign on when to get them done.
Sorry to say this, but yes... at those doses, the Sustanon will make you feel sh*t!
I totally understand how you are feeling - I had some terribly low days too - but then when I looked around, there were a whole host of people a LOT worse off than me, and I could see light at the end of the tunnel.
The simple truth is: you will come through this and you will feel good about yourself again. You just need to go through the dialling in period.
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