Sustanon Vs. Enanthate.

leelee_69

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I keep hearing mixed reviews about sustanon. At this point it doesn't matter since I paid a lot for what I have (bought it last year but chose to spend a year doing research before touching it). Now the time has come...I will be using sustanon for sure or else it would be a big waste of money and good gear!

Anyway, people say that you need MORE sustanon than you would test E for a cycle. For example, 500mg a week would be fine for test E, but not for sustanon.

Now, I'm not totally clear on this, but I assume that this is true ONLY if frequency of injection is equal for both compounds. With sustanon, we have the two fast acting esters (prop and phenylprop), then the medium and slow esters - to inject less frequently than ED or EOD would not maximize the benefit from the two slowest acting esters and so you would need more (> 500mg weekly of sustanon) to elicit a comparable effect to enanthate IF injection frequency is the same for both compounds (test E and sustanon shot 2X weekly for example). My guess is that the additional sustanon is needed to get additional benefits from the caproate and decanoate, with the two slow acting esters essentially going to waste (on such a schedule as described above).

Put another way: Using 750mg of sustanon shot twice a week will give you maximum gains from the isocaproate (24% of total), and decanoate (40% of total), with the propionate and phenylpropionate basically going to waste...

64% of 750mg = 480mg of useful test = comparable to injecting a weekly total of 500mg of test E.

But if you adjust your injection frequency accordingly...What would make test E so much better than sustanon :confused:

Am I way off base here, or is it fair to say that the main problems with sustanon come from people creating less than ideal injection frequency schedules?

I know this was a bit long, but a lot of you guys are chemical geniuses and just figured I would throw this at you.

Thanks!

PS - if any of the Canadian bros know if PVL sustanon 350 was underdosed, let me know.
 
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If you are going to use 750mg of sustanon a week do 3 seperate injections on Monday, Wednesday and friday. I have used both Enanthate and Sustanon and I prefer sustanon. I did enanthat at 500mg a week, and sustanon as I described above.
 
Too many ester releasing test at different time with sus, but some swear by it other say it's the same as any other test. Pick one and use it or try um both to see which you like better but there is no need to adjust doses, run the same amount of either.

JohnnyB
 
JohnnyB said:
but there is no need to adjust doses, run the same amount of either.

JohnnyB

That's good to hear. I figure as long as I can keep up an EOD injection schedule I should be able to get the full effects of the sustanon. I hope the PVL sus is not underdosed, as I have heard some bad reviews on it.

On a bit of an unrelated note - when do strength / mass gains kick in with sustanon? Is it 3 or 4 weeks?
 
you can run 500mg, your blood levels wont be as stable. I did 500mg weekly split into 2 shots and it was wonderful to me. Try it out, youll like it.
 
Bimmer said:
you can run 500mg, your blood levels wont be as stable. I did 500mg weekly split into 2 shots and it was wonderful to me. Try it out, youll like it.

I'm going to suck it up and try for EOD injects - injecting less than 1CC each time. I've heard mixed reviews about the 2X weekly - lots of good, but some bad.

I don't think injecting more frequently could cause problems could it? I'm thinking, at most, it won't help, but couldn't hurt? I guess I want to be safe and get maximum effects from sustanon, since I want my first cycle to be a test only first cycle.

At the very least I'll be shooting 2X weekly, but in all likeliness, EOD.
 
You will get the most out of EOD injections, but wouldnt it be easier to shot once a week??

Also with ever ester, you have space taken away from your raw test, so you wont get as much test per mg, that enanthate or cyp.

Again, I have used Sustanon (sust), and Omnas and they do a solid job!
 
Sust vs Test enanthate;

As far as which is stronger, take a 250 mg dose of both,....if you remove the esters from each, you are left with 180mg of free testosterone from the Enanthate, and 188 mg of free testosterone from the Sust., so not much of a difference in my books.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
Sust vs Test enanthate;

As far as which is stronger, take a 250 mg dose of both,....if you remove the esters from each, you are left with 180mg of free testosterone from the Enanthate, and 188 mg of free testosterone from the Sust., so not much of a difference in my books.

I agree - pretty insignificant! Unless a person is competing or something like that, it seems pretty minor.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
Sust vs Test enanthate;

As far as which is stronger, take a 250 mg dose of both,....if you remove the esters from each, you are left with 180mg of free testosterone from the Enanthate, and 188 mg of free testosterone from the Sust., so not much of a difference in my books.


SC, where did you get those numbers??
 
My first cycle ever I work up to 1000mg of sus a week, I went from a 170 lbs weiner to a 235lbs monster. Looking back it was not the best way to do things and I probably stayed on to long Im sure but I got fcukin huge.

T
 
not_sure said:
My first cycle ever I work up to 1000mg of sus a week, I went from a 170 lbs weiner to a 235lbs monster. Looking back it was not the best way to do things and I probably stayed on to long Im sure but I got fcukin huge.

T

Yikes :eek:

I guess you would on a gram a week. wow. I hope to use half as much gear and make half as much in the way of gains :D
 
Being older and wiser I rely more on diet and proper training now, I just like the extra kick I get when I cycle. Reasonble dosage no more than 10 weeks at a time are working out really well for me.

T
 
not_sure said:
Being older and wiser I rely more on diet and proper training now, I just like the extra kick I get when I cycle. Reasonble dosage no more than 10 weeks at a time are working out really well for me.

T

A 65 pound gain is something I never heard of before, regardless of how much water you put on.

Question - had you been heavier pre cycle? Had you ever been 190 and then dropped to 170 then used the gear? Maybe muscle memory helped as well as the gear?
 
It was the first time I had tried anything, I had been lifting on and off for awhile but nothing major. I moved in with two of my buddies who both competed at the time. I was consuming about 5 to 6000 calories a day on top of the program, I ran the cycle for about 15 or 18 weeks (not at 1000mg the whole time) and worked out like my life depended on it. My diet was pretty clean except for the plate of Potato skins from benigans I would eat post workout every day. Throw in a hand full of suppliments and we were there.

I gain very well while on, I was on vacation last month and put on 12 lbs in 6 day while maintaining the same BF. Again I was consuming over 5000 calories per day. Food was included in package so I took advantage of it. I preach it a lot, but its all in the diet...

T
 
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