taking the plunge into TRT

[Cheph]

I'm 32 years old, around 5 cycles under my belt. I've been thinking about TRT for quite some time now. I just did my blood work and a physical, tomorrow going back to discuss exactly what my regiment will be but most likely cypionate at 300 milligrams per week.

yes I realize TRT is for life but it is my decision to do this. he also said if I want / need he will also put me on growth.

 

[hiram1st]

Do you have the results? Post them up

 

[3J]

remember its likely a life long commitment.. and it takes alot of work

 

[swilk]

How old is your Doc? What do you intend to do if/when he retires or moves? Do you think you will find another who will allow you to continue 300mg per week AND GH?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

300 mg per week is too much. Eventually you will have problems with your labs.

 

[Havasu]

300mg a week is not TRT. That will put you at superphysiological levels. That will not be good for your prostate in the long run. AT max TRT is 200mg per week typically. TRT isn't about having higher than normal test, it's about having a normal level test, maybe even a high level within the normal range as long as side effects aren't an issue, and that you don't actually feel better at more moderate level. TRT is about restoring normal levels, so that you feel good, and don't feel run down, etc. all the time.

 

[swilk]

There is always the possibility that 300mg per week keeps him within the normal range .... unlikely, but possible.

Very unlikely, but possible.

 

[Havasu]

There is always the possibility that 300mg per week keeps him within the normal range .... unlikely, but possible.

Very unlikely, but possible.

He would definitely be a rareity. I haven't heard of 300mg a week being needed to get someone within high normal yet, but never say never I guess.

 

[swilk]

He would definitely be a rareity. I haven't heard of 300mg a week being needed to get someone within high normal yet, but never say never I guess.

Longer than a longshot .... but I wouldnt say impossible.

Personally, like most others, I think he is going about this incorrectly and not viewing it as a lifelong commitment. Find the balancing point of what your body wants for the next 50 years and then once you have that then you can introduce the possibility of playing around with some short cycles or whatever else.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

300mg will keep your trough over 1400 ng/dl, maybe even 1700 ng/dl its just unsustainable.

ask around guys will tell you, most have had to titrate downwards at one point or another.

See below:

The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD, the full abstact can be found here..Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone***8217;s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html#post2164571

 

[Cheph]

Yes i know it's on the high side. We are doing new bloods in 4 weeks and adjusting.

Also i have given this great thought and my.mind is made up. My nats are 300ng/dl. The doc.is early 40ies and not moving. He's been doing this here for 10 years now.

Also I'm not taking GH as my natural IGF1 is 204. his chart says i should be between 137-199. he said lots of ppl pay a lot of money to be at me levels. So im not doing the gh