technical testosterone question

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Let's say we have two individuals. Guy A's natural test level is 350 and Guy B's test level is 650. Both decide to run the same dose of testosterone at 750mg. Would Guy B be at an advantage or would they both be equal since both of their natural test production has been shut down?

 

[Massive123]

Good question. I'd say the guy with lower test would respond better. There are lots of studies on steroids being very effective for people with very low levels. These studies don't compare person A with person B but IMO it makes sense that someone with much lower levels has more to gain

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

that's a reasonable line of thinking. Anyone else want to take a crack at this?

 

[Norseman]

I would say yes..for a low purson would have less and more response von anaboliks addition

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Simple....once the exo testosterone is added, both guys natural production drops to zero, therefore equalizing everything so no one has an advantage over the other.

 

[methos]

I think they would be on even ground regarding serum blood levels of test on cycle but the one that has been surviving on a lower natural level will gain more during the cycle. Just my opinion, it's also a combination of the above answers.

 

[Massive123]

Simple....once the exo testosterone is added, both guys natural production drops to zero, therefore equalizing everything so no one has an advantage over the other.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. Natural test dropping to zero doesn't change the fact that one has been suriviving on far lower levels. Natty test aside, an increase in exogenous test will take this persons levels further from their normal levels than the person with higher natty test and IMO would give more pronounced effects.

Think of someone with very low levels compared to a guy with very high levels. Ones body is unaccustomed to high test levels. The others is not. How can you say these two would be in the same boat? Regardless of natty test shutting down, ones body has never seen high levels. The other has. Without some kind of study to prove your ways of thinking I respectfully disagree

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Without some kind of study to prove your ways of thinking I respectfully disagree

Lol......I just love when you guys write that.

Let me turn the table on you....and ask the same thing of you.

Please post a study proving your point of view.

Absolute dumbest comment ever written on a discussion board...

 

[Massive123]

If you're saying I'm wrong you're the one who should post something to prove your case here. If not that's cool, just figured you have a basis for your comment. Mine was common sense. If I'm wrong show me.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Mine is based on common sense....if I'm wrong YOU show ME !!


I can imagine you in the playground as a kid...."You show me yours and I'll show you mine"...LOL

 

[Massive123]

If I find something I'd be glad to post it. This isn't a childs playgroung argument, or an argument at all for that matter... I just figured as an admin with 20k+ posts you'd have your ammo of studies more accessible than anyone & this seems like one that's more simple & easier to prove than others.

Maybe Blondie can chime in & settle this once & for all

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Ok.....well I have low natural testosterone levels and am on lifetime HRT.....and I can assure you I have to work just as hard, if not harder than most guys with normal test levels in order for me to make gains while on a cycle.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Both theories make sense. I don't see the gains being any different for either though personally since both likely plateaued before they started their cycle, making the extra boost helpful for both individuals

 

[Massive123]

I wasn't referring to HRT cases. If that's your take on this I agree 100% both need to work equally as hard. I meant for a first cycle single or after time off & then getting back on cycle. I've seen studies on this. I will look for them and post what I can find

 

[Flip TRT]

Guys, stone cold really did give the best theory. Once the exo is administered, both guys natural test will drop off the map. Hypothetically speaking, "guy b" may actually be able to post some additional gains, for a very short period of time given that it may take him a bit more time to zero out than "guy a". Once they both hit bottom, a lot of any ensuing gains are going to be based on genetics, training, diet, and whether or not a or b's receptors are cleaner than the others/vice versa. Very legit question, however there are a lot of out side factors that prevent a direct,clear cut, answer.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Guys, stone cold really did give the best theory. Once the exo is administered, both guys natural test will drop off the map. Hypothetically speaking, "guy b" may actually be able to post some additional gains, for a very short period of time given that it may take him a bit more time to zero out than "guy a". Once they both hit bottom, a lot of any ensuing gains are going to be based on genetics, training, diet, and whether or not a or b's receptors are cleaner than the others/vice versa. Very legit question, however there are a lot of out side factors that prevent a direct,clear cut, answer.

good post

 

[Vadar]

At first i was thinking person 'a', with the lowest T level would benifit (or be more at an advantage). When I thought about the reality that once additional T is entered into the body, natural test levels drop...i started to think that they'd be on level ground.

It's possibly the type of question that would have no conclussive answer, every 'body' is different. less talk more chalk