Test and prop cut/strength log

[MN87]

Forgot to mention, but squatted 575 for 2 reps again yesterday. Reps were a lot cleaner than last time though. So debating whether to try it for 3 reps tomorrow or go for 585...? I guess we'll see how I feel tomorrow.

245x4 on OHP today! Feel very good about this!! Tried inclines and my pec tightness flared up when I got to 275 again... but its probably my own fault. I did em on Friday last so admittedly I haven't given myself as much time to recover the injured muscle as I should've, and I believe a closer focus on form would also help. Either way, seeing as how I inclined and benched Friday with success, I feel there is no more need to test myself to see if my pec is truly recovered. I believe I am. So, since I know my strength is still there, I will from now on train incline and flat only sporadically, as maintenence work, and focus more on overhead stuff and extensions.

Last tren pin tomorrow! I got my test susp in... looks like a cloudy milky liquid. Debating whether to up the Aro from 25mg to 37.5mg during this last week, seeing as how I will be taking a much greater percentage of actual test from the susp compared to the prop.

 

[MN87]

Might even up to 50mg Aro ED as of tonight (i.e. take another 25mg tonight). I haven't gotten the results I expected I would by running Aro on cycle, despite running 3 different brands. Makes me question whether I'll be switching to another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in future cycling... I might just be a nonresponder.

 

[MN87]

Seeing as how I'm closing out my cycle in a week from now, I'm wondering how to start using the Test Susp to do so. I'm pinning my last tren ace tomorrow, and possibly my last test prop (if not tomorrow, then wed will be my last prop shot). I'm wondering if maybe I should've already started running Susp, to account for the fact that there will be some lag for it to kick in. Anyone have any ideas when I should start running it, if I want my last Susp pin to be Sunday of next week, and my PCT to start next Monday?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Not positive so I don't want to throw out information that isn't factual. I will look it up and see if i can find definitive information. My friend says it's out of your system in 2 days so if that were hypothetically true then you could start as early as tuesday. I'll look for something more concrete and report back. And yes, up your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at least double when you start. I know Test is Test, but apparently this one is harder to control because it's so fast-acting. Usually, i would say the opposite is the case but play it cautiously as you are obviously sensitive to the conversion.

 

[MN87]

Yeah. I think I'm gonna start Susp tonight and just run 50mg once daily through Sunday. And do one more prop pin on Wed. Should put me at 7-750 for the week (not taking into account actual test and whatnot).

And yeah gonna start Aro at 50 as of tonight. 25 didn't do shit. Hovering at 216 right now... face is little puffy but could be worse, belly has jiggle. Arms are absurdly lean and jacked though, I will post a pic one of these days.

 

[Bulldog2103]

216? Holy shit man, that's insane! Well you'll be happy soon enough brother, that bloat will fall right off during pct and your new body will reveal itself and then you can get to eating again.

 

[MN87]

Yeah dude I can't wait. I know I'll drop at least 10-15 but I hope I drop more. Can't wait to have my face and abs back again, and I'm very interested to see what lies underneath afterwards... all indications point to some drastic transformations indeed.

Tomorrow is my last prop pin (probably 200) and PCT starts Monday. Pinning 50mg susp ED till then too.. started yesterday and it was no pain. Very weird texture though, I had to shake/heat the vial to dissolve the crystals or else it looked like yogurt... seriously.

And am actually bumping calories back up to precycle maintence tomorrow... not sure how much to add after that going into PCT but I was thinking +500

 

[MN87]

Last few days have been somewhat demotivating.*The massive bloat, EOD training, calorie restrictive diet, and just tons of real world stress have all contributed. *I really am ready to start being natty again haha.

Missed 585 on Monday on squat and failed on a warmup today at 545, but did OHP at 245x4.5 and DB shoulder press for 125x3.5 yesterday. I will end the EOD protocol today.

Today was my last pin of prop (200mg). Pinning 50mg susp ED till sunday then starting post cycle therapy (pct) Monday. Also added 500 cals/day today, taking me back to precycle maintencnce, and will add more Monday for post cycle therapy (pct). *Gonna lower the*volume/frequency somewhat this week and take off sunday, and plan to hit it with a renewed vigor and new program come Monday. I am optimistic.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah man, it sounds like you are ready to come off and are ready for a change. Trust me bro, the physical changes you have made will be dramatic and satisfying.

So add your calories and change up your training regimen because I don't want to hear the bullshit about demotivation and failed attempts. You're better then that, make your adjustments and come back correct. With that said those are Very nice numbers on the OHP and Dumbbell Press!

 

[MN87]

Yeah I think I'll be good training-wise, optimistic about that... we're all allowed to have our 'off' days.

How long you figure it'll be till the bloat drops? Since I started Aro at 50 earlier this week, I imagine it'll take at least a week into PCT or so. Dammit.

 

[Bulldog2103]

You'll notice it early on but it became more pronounced and dramatic at about day 11 or so. The complete process of dropping it took just over two weeks. All in all it took off 9 pounds and I am currently at 194. I'm sure it will come off faster for you because I imagine you will take extra steps to quicken the process (sauna, diuretic etc..). It's as awesome and relieving as you believe it will be! You get to see your progress and take stress of of your kidneys. I am not sure i'll run a high test dose again. Perhaps if I was looking to do a major bulk but short of that I would hardly see the use. There are simply better, stronger and more convenient compounds out there. I view it more as a complimentary compound and will use it as such moving forward.

 

[MN87]

Damn dude 11 days! I'm not sure if the diuretics/sauna are a path I want to take, but if it doesn't come off as fast as I want to then I may resort to that.

Added another 500 calories yesterday, so in total I am up 1000 calories from where I was at the end of my cut a few days ago. In my mind, the initial 500 takes me back to pre-cycle maintenance levels, then an extra 250 to account for the new mass I put on whilst on cycle, and then an extra 250 on top of that to get me in lean bulking mode. Need to stay lean but also to nourish my body's gains... this will put me at 3000 cals/day. Hope I gauged it well!!!!

Decided to start PCT Sunday and pin my last Susp tomorrow morning. Finished Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast phase yesterday, and nuts look good (they've looked good all long though). Taking some lower dose Clomid til then, then starting up at 100mg Clomid Sunday for 2 weeks or so to start. Probably gonna toss some vitamin D in somewhere too, start dosing the peps more frequently, and do some low dose slin after my weight training sessions (4x/wk).

Pec still hurts so avoiding inclines and flat for however long it takes. Shoulders doing good, went up a rep on shoulder press and did 125x4. Goal of PCT/time between cycles will be to rehab my pec and get it back to on-cycle strength levels and to become more proficient with the strength I've amassed thus far (and of course, make gains too ).

 

[MN87]

Also, I've been on 50mg Aro since Sun/Mon (I forget exact when). Wondering when I should start lowering that back to 25, or if I should keep it there till I see some signs of water drop. Libido is fine and no lethargy.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm really glad you upped your calories as obviously that is most crucial for keeping your newly acquired mass. Your PCT plan looks solid and i would keep the Aromasin at 50 mg's myself until I saw some water drop off, then I would taper it down. Good shit man! I'm very much looking forward to watching your pct progress as well as looking forward to the day when you can fully see the after effects of your hard work.

Notice anything with the Test Suspension?

 

[MN87]

I mean, I don't even know how I would've noticed. I already had test in my system, and I assume the point at which the prop levels started to decline is the point at which the Susp started to kick in (which was my goal anyway), so it's not like I'm really feeling anything new. So I guess to more succinctly answer your question: not really.

That being said, though my synthetic T levels are probably declining, I feel normal and have no doubt I'll continue to feel normal as the weeks continue. Felt pretty strong today, and tried 585 on squat again... I failed, but no biggie... guess it's just a case of overreaching too far too soon. Dropped back down to 565 for a couple reps and felt strong and good, so I will just stick it at that weight and work my way back to 6p, but with higher reppage this time. Won't be a problem.

Aches are subsiding... that EOD protocol was killer, especially towards the end when I was coming close to maxing literally every workout. My wide squat stance is probably a big cause of this, so I'ma start bringing it a bit narrower.

Today marks my last administration of AAS! 'Official' post cycle therapy (pct) starts as of tomorrow (i.e. no more juice and high dose Clomid), but I've been dosing Clomid at progressively higher doses these past few days anyway. I may misjudge the timing of the post cycle therapy (pct) but with all the precautions I've taken it shouldn't be an issue since I'll be on high dose Clomid for a few weeks anyway, plus my nuts are good!

Since this marks the conclusion of my 'AAS' phase, I'll be posting a summary and some pics soon.

 

[MN87]

Couple pics I took after getting out of the shower. Arms look good and if you compare em to the pics I posted earlier you'll see tremendous differences in muscularity, cuts, and vascularity... not to mention the arm I posted is my 'less vascular' arm. But facial and stomach bloat is still prominent as ever, fuck

Weight about 216/217 right now. Might be starting to drop some water, I'm usually definitely heavier than that round this time of day.

Oh yeah, btw, since I've dropped tren I've been able to sleep much more consistently and fully. Which is nice, but also means that I can't get by on a little sleep as I could before. Interesting give or take situation right there

 

[MN87]

I'm debating whether to use slin in PCT. I have no qualms about the use of it insofar as my health is concerned and am familiar with the protocol, but I just don't feel like pinning yet still another compound. The main reason to use it would be to hold onto gains, and also because I read that it bolsters natty FSH/LH production (the more important point). If my lifts start to suffer, I think I'll start using it, but if not, then there might not be a need for it. Not this time around at least... I think I will feel very fine.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Looking Great man, the progress is definitely noteworthy and will become even more prominent in the next few weeks. It must be a relief to be coming off and stripping down the unwanted layer of water. Your veins, definition and vascularity have all been taken to another level. Good shit Brother, hard work and dedication pays off!

I like your slin plan because it will be more educational this way. You'll know exactly what to expect without additional post cycle therapy (pct) aid and if you begin to lose strength then you can quickly and effectively implement the slin to resolve the issue all while knowing just how impactful the slin is. Very logical, especially since I will convince you to do many more of these, haha.

 

[MN87]

Thanks dude I hope so. I've noticed the facial bloat is especially prominent near my temples, almost like I have antlers, did you notice anything like that when you were bloated? And of course cheeks, chin, etc. And good point re: slin, def always best to introduce the compounds one at a time.

Funny you mention the 'many more' part. Some things have recently come up which may cause me to push plans back a year. I will say this though... I definitely prefer cut cycles to bulk cycles, and think tren Summer cycles are perfect. Eat with less restrictions AND look way better while doing it, ability to get by on less sleep... all perfect things for Summer. Like you I've settled on it + minimal test as the base for the future.

OHP suffered a lil bit today (down 2 reps) but it has always been inconsistent for me, so I'm not too worried. Plus I'm dealing with a shoulder pain nowadays too. Shoulder press went up to 125 x 5.5 though, so gains throughout my first few days of PCT are still there... squats tomorrow will tell more. Feel absolutely fine, just a little more sleepy than normal, but that happened a while ago after I dropped tren.

 

[MN87]

Also, I have something pretty important to go to Thursday so I may have to resort to another one of those water bath/diuretic sessions like I did for that Summer comp. I've read in some places that it could take two months to lose test bloat... FUCK THAT. Of course, the trick would be to keep the water off for good this time around, so any tips on how to do that? Diet will of course have to be spot on.