test cypionate + dianabol 1st cycle

[RafaelB]

Hey guys, sup?

So i'm 21, i lift for 4 years and want to compete amateur next year. Naturally i went from 51kg (time when i was very skinny) to 83kg now with around 10%bf.

So i think it's time to start taking something more strong. After a lot of research in many forums I came about with a cycle and I want to know opnions and if it's okay to run it:

week 1-10: 400mg Test Cyp/week (two 200mg shoots per week - monday and thursday)
week 1-4: 30mg dianabol ED
week 1-15 Arimidex 0,5mg ED
week 13-15 (two weeks after last shoot): Clomid for 3 weeks

Here are some questions:

Do i need NOLVA next day after last shot? or only with clomid?

Do i need to take Arimidex from week 1 to 15 (cycle and PCT) or only during cycle? This will prevent gyno, right?

I have done a lot of researches and saw guys saying different things, so i dont know what to do!

Thanks!

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

all you need is food bro. you are way to young. Train natural, enjoy your youthful high test levels and in 3-4 years you can start aas....thats plenty early too

 

[Spongy]

21 is too young to be doing gear, no matter how long you've been training. You still have lots of natural hormones to work with. D-Bol should not be used in a first cycle. Testosterone only.

What's your training history? What's your diet like?

 

[Bullseye Forever]

21 is too young to be doing gear, no matter how long you've been training. You still have lots of natural hormones to work with. D-Bol should not be used in a first cycle. Testosterone only.

What's your training history? What's your diet like?

i would be glad to give you my thoughts brother but i agree with Spongy

 

[gymrat827]

too young....wait til your growth plates close.

23.5yrs old is the min IMO. unless your were shaving at 12yrs old you body has not matured yet.


stick to whey, creatine, BCAA, beta alanine, NP's like need2slin or slin sane. pre WO's etc etc...hold off on the AAS for 2.5 more yrs.

 

[essays]

I'm with spongy. He's pretty much said everything I would have. Don't mess with steroids now man, it's just not necessary.

 

[slair]

re

Although i agree that 21 is too young, there are exceptions to this i believe.

First of all, your body is still growing and your test levels are theoretically very high to begin with. However, get a blood test done. At 23, before ever cycling i had bloods done and found total t at 355 and free test on the borderline of the low end. So although this time is theoretically your best.......your levels could be shit anyways.

Second, you should really build up a good solid base, if your test levels are indeed decent....depending on your height/genetics/diet.... you could definitely get above 185 pounds naturally. However, if you're say 5'6/10% bf and have a decent diet.....i would say thats a pretty great foundation.

Third, most 21 year olds just do not understand the risks associated with cycling, which is why almost no one on this board wants to give advice to people under 25....most just don't have the maturity, experience, knowledge and dedication to do it right. Not implying anything with you. Steroids arent the demons they are made out to be....but they certainly can fuck you up if abused.... and you got a long time to fuck yourself up if you start at 21. Know your shit inside and out first....get the knowledge and understand and accept the possibilities!

Lets assume that your 5'6/10% bf, good diet and training, mediocre test levels, and understand all the consequences and you have ambitions to compete in bodybuilding. I do not think 21 is too bad.... but those are alot of assumptions.

Heres what i think you should do:

get bloods done to see where you are naturally. Spend some more time searching and getting information on the subject. Really sit back and evaluate whether you think your around your maximum natural potential and find out exactly what your bodybuilding ambitions are....to compete in a few contests....or to try to become a pro?

IF IF IF IF IF.....this is in check....drop the dbol, bump the cyp to 500mg a weeK, keep the arimidex on hand, get some letro to keep on hand just in case, bump the cycle to 12 weeks, run clomid 2 weeks after last shot for 1 month @ 50mg/day, and do not run arimidex during pct........BUT ONLY IF IF IF IF IF

 

[RafaelB]

I'm going to do it and i just wanna do it at the safe way. I'm 21 already and have some educate at bodybuilding. I have 175 centimeters height (my country uses centimeters) and on off seasons i can get 205 pounds, after a cutting i'm about 180-185 lbs.
It's about half a year it's getting hard to put some weight on and i want to take compete junior categorie (till 21) soon next year.
My diet plan:
30g whey
1+1/2 cup oats
4 oz chicken

Workout

whey + dextrose

Solid meal PWO: 1 and a half brown rice cup + 9 oz chicken

1 and a half cup brown rice + 8oz chicken

1 cup sweet potatoes + 10 oz lean red meat

1 cup cottage cheese + 4 whole eggs

this is my bulk diet, I cycle carb and go out the diet every 10-15 days to take a insulin peak. It contains around 400g carb, 250-300g protein and 50g fats, when on Cutting i drop as much as possible carbs (150g) and up good fats and cycle carb every 4 day.

I'm very educated at bodybuilding, much more than many guys who say i'm too young for doing roids. I just want help so i dont do any shit like so many guys out there...

So, why is not u not recommend using Dbol for first cycle? I saw many people doing it around there, some guys even use deca.

Other doubt is i see many guys using Arimidex at the hole cycle and others just keeping it in hand... What should I do? My only conceirns is about Gyno and i see guys that even dont buy Arimidex, just nolva.

I was thinking about this:

buying clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) and Arimidex to keep it in hand IF gyno appears, it will work or I will need nolvain case of gyno?

If u are going to say i'm too young just don't post here please, I'm natural till now and i'm bigger than many guys i know that already did roids... Bodybuilding is a life for me, i'm not posting here for look great or shit

Thanks guys

 

[RafaelB]

Although i agree that 21 is too young, there are exceptions to this i believe.

First of all, your body is still growing and your test levels are theoretically very high to begin with. However, get a blood test done. At 23, before ever cycling i had bloods done and found total t at 355 and free test on the borderline of the low end. So although this time is theoretically your best.......your levels could be shit anyways.

Second, you should really build up a good solid base, if your test levels are indeed decent....depending on your height/genetics/diet.... you could definitely get above 185 pounds naturally. However, if you're say 5'6/10% bf and have a decent diet.....i would say thats a pretty great foundation.

Third, most 21 year olds just do not understand the risks associated with cycling, which is why almost no one on this board wants to give advice to people under 25....most just don't have the maturity, experience, knowledge and dedication to do it right. Not implying anything with you. Steroids arent the demons they are made out to be....but they certainly can fuck you up if abused.... and you got a long time to fuck yourself up if you start at 21. Know your shit inside and out first....get the knowledge and understand and accept the possibilities!

Lets assume that your 5'6/10% bf, good diet and training, mediocre test levels, and understand all the consequences and you have ambitions to compete in bodybuilding. I do not think 21 is too bad.... but those are alot of assumptions.

Heres what i think you should do:

get bloods done to see where you are naturally. Spend some more time searching and getting information on the subject. Really sit back and evaluate whether you think your around your maximum natural potential and find out exactly what your bodybuilding ambitions are....to compete in a few contests....or to try to become a pro?

IF IF IF IF IF.....this is in check....drop the dbol, bump the cyp to 500mg a weeK, keep the arimidex on hand, get some letro to keep on hand just in case, bump the cycle to 12 weeks, run clomid 2 weeks after last shot for 1 month @ 50mg/day, and do not run arimidex during pct........BUT ONLY IF IF IF IF IF

Thanks for the reply man.

I consider i have a pretty solid base, many people assume i'm on roids cause of my size.
But i came to a point that i'm expanding a lot of money on supplements (pre workout, creatine, zma, glutamine, intras, bcaa's, etc) and the results are not the same now, i'm going to stick just with the basics supplements now that are whey, casein, bcaa's, multi, fish oil and some creatine...
I'm not of the kind that take something before getting informations of it, i know all the fuctions on many supplements out there and know the compostions of many bodybuilding formulas supplements...

So i know the risks i'm assuming, i dont want to abuse at roids. I'm starting with the recommended begginer cycle (test c) and want to just add the DBOL.

I think it's better to get some information and help besides of doing it wrong... I want to do de safe way

 

[Spongy]

If you've never done a cycle before, just stick with the Test and drop the D-Bol. Still waiting to hear what you're diet is like though. If you decide that this is what you want to do, diet will determine whether you succeed or not.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

Would someone care to explain why dbol is not suppose to be ran in the first cycle?

 

[dylan123]

not to freak you out or anything but when I was in my first year of college I met a guy at my college gym and he was probably 20 or 21 and he started a cycle of test at 1000 mg a week. He stayed on for 24 weeks and made great gains. He looked awsome. But now for the freaked out part. I ran into him a few years back and he was in his 30s at this point and he looked normal...not much muscle just average. I asked him if he gave it up and he told me that he has been on HRT since he got off that cycle. His natural test never bounced back. He said the doctor told him he was too young and he ended up screwing his hormones up...

Now this might be an extrememly rare case...he might have done post cycle therapy (pct) wrong...he might of even been lying for all I know...but in any case I agree with everyone else that you are to young.

It is very tempting at that age...I know since I have wanted to do it since I was younger as well and I am just now at the point where I am going to do it since I hit my personal wall naturally at 31.

Trust me, the gains you make naturally will stay with you longer and give you more pride. In my twenties everyone thought I was on steroids because they didnt believe someone could get to my size and lean out naturally. But I just work hard at it and a lot of my pay check goes to whole food and supps.

There is nothing more ego boosting then people thinking you are on steroids when you are not. Although it did get annoying after a while.... but nonetheless it was ego boosting...

Take a blood test and see how high your test is and post your results. Let the guys who know what they are talking about take a look and see what they suggest.

I dont mean to discourage you, since it seems like your mind is made up, but just think a bit harder about taking the easy way out.

Also if you want to compete...it would be easier to win a natural competition then one that is not screened since everyone will be most likely be juiced and been at it for longer then you. <---just my opinion though.

 

[PITBULLLOCK]

WAY TO YOUNG TO CYCLE. Bro you have got your hole life ahead of you to grow why risk your health at such a young age for something you might not care to much about in say 10yrs or so. Look at it long term not sort term, hope you make the right choice.

 

[slair]

not to freak you out or anything but when I was in my first year of college I met a guy at my college gym and he was probably 20 or 21 and he started a cycle of test at 1000 mg a week. He stayed on for 24 weeks and made great gains. He looked awsome. But now for the freaked out part. I ran into him a few years back and he was in his 30s at this point and he looked normal...not much muscle just average. I asked him if he gave it up and he told me that he has been on HRT since he got off that cycle. His natural test never bounced back. He said the doctor told him he was too young and he ended up screwing his hormones up...

Now this might be an extrememly rare case...he might have done post cycle therapy (pct) wrong...he might of even been lying for all I know...but in any case I agree with everyone else that you are to young.

It is very tempting at that age...I know since I have wanted to do it since I was younger as well and I am just now at the point where I am going to do it since I hit my personal wall naturally at 31.

Trust me, the gains you make naturally will stay with you longer and give you more pride. In my twenties everyone thought I was on steroids because they didnt believe someone could get to my size and lean out naturally. But I just work hard at it and a lot of my pay check goes to whole food and supps.

There is nothing more ego boosting then people thinking you are on steroids when you are not. Although it did get annoying after a while.... but nonetheless it was ego boosting...

Take a blood test and see how high your test is and post your results. Let the guys who know what they are talking about take a look and see what they suggest.

I dont mean to discourage you, since it seems like your mind is made up, but just think a bit harder about taking the easy way out.

Also if you want to compete...it would be easier to win a natural competition then one that is not screened since everyone will be most likely be juiced and been at it for longer then you. <---just my opinion though.

no offense man but i'd bet alot of the "NATURAL" competitors are former users that have cycled off.

 

[anewguy]

Your bulking diet is a joke. If you cannot even formulate a single sentence, how are you going to follow directions?Y ou need to put down the steroids, perhaps even bodybuilding, and enroll in some education.

Not going to comment the original post, just say that I mostly agree with what has been said. I just wanted to add that you should ignore comments from pricks like this ^^^. I would much prefer someone give you real reasons not to cycle instead of being a dickhead because your primary language is not English. Not all ology members are douchebags. Best of luck bro.

 

[OMEGA]

21 too young, wait till 25

Cycle it self is perfect

 

[jadakiss]

Take ur time brother, I'm 30 and I still havnt done a cycle yet just trainin hard so when i start I'll take off. Build ur base first till at least 27 then u can take off. Keep safe!