Test, deca, and dbol the bulking cycle, an article by 3j

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TEST E, DECA, AND DBOL:
THE BULKING STACK

By:3J
3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.
The purpose of this article is to educate the amateur bodybuilder on the correct set up of a powerful traditional bulking cycle; Test e, Deca, and Dbol. The use of Deca and Dbol has been long hailed as the mighty bulking cycle. Traditionally used as an off season cycle, the stack will do a wonderful job of adding muscle mass and letting the user come in at a heavier weight when reaching their goal body fat when cutting.


TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE



I have said it a million times before and I will say it again, testosterone is king. It is the foundation in which all cycles are built upon. Running any compound without the use of testosterone will leave you with hormone levels that are similar to a females. Testosterone Enanthate is a slower acting ester. With a 7 to 10 day half-life, it requires a less frequent dosing schedule to reach and maintain stable blood levels making it the better choice for beginner steroid users who may not be too fond of needles and do not want to do every day or every other day injections. Properly used, the injection schedule should be every 3.5 days on Monday and Thursday of the week. Dosages for testosterone enanthate range from a minimum of 400mg a week to 800mg a week for the average steroid user and cycles should be a minimum of 10 weeks due to the amount of time it takes to reach peak levels. More advanced users have been known to go over 1000mg a week, but one should be aware that it takes a lot of cycle experience to get to those levels. Longer estered testosterones like testosterone enanthate are known to cause more estrogen/aromatization side effects due to higher peak values over the course of the cycle. Proper AI/SERM precautions should be taken.



DECA DURABOLIN


Deca has been the go to compound for bulking in bodybuilding amongst steroid users for years. Deca is a 19-nor compound. Its made from the same cloth as trenbolone. Consequently, it also shares many of the same issues as Tren. Being a 19-nor, deca is liver toxic. It also does not aromatize very well, but will cause a rise in progestin levels. Due to its ability to rise progestin levels, deca is known for causing libido issues or ***8220;deca dick.***8221; Proper progestin/anti-estrogen drugs should be used to make sure you keep you from experiencing libido issues. It also will shut down natural testotsterone almost immediately with the first dose. Deca has as strong affinity to the androgen receptor and does great as an anabolic; it will raise both nitrogen retention and igf levels. Water retention does become an issue on deca, but the proper progestin drugs should keep it at bay. Deca is also known to help joint issues by storing water in the connective tissues and improving collagen synthesis/mineral content. Some use the drug in low dosages such therapeutic effects. The recommended proper dosage for Deca is between 400-600mg a week. Though the ester connected to deca has a longer half life, its safe to inject deca on the same schedule as test e and c. In theory, deca can be injected once a week, but twice a week is the gold standard. Due to the highly suppressive nature of deca, its recommended that hcg be ran with the cycle.



DIANABOL


Dbol is traditionally found in pill form. Like winstrol, Dbol is a 17aa oral steroid. 17aa orals are made the way they are to survive the first pass at the liver. Unfortunately, this makes dbol highly liver toxic (almost as toxic as winny). Dbol will also cause hypertension (a raise in blood pressure) so proper monitoring of your blood pressure should be maintained. Dbol is not the best at binding with the androgen receptor and most its effects are secondary. Dbol will suppress natural testosterone production. Many who are new to steroid use will try to do a Dbol only cycle. When dbol suppresses your natural production your levels start looking more like a females. Therefore, it should always be ran in a cycle with testosterone as a base. Dbol is said to be as strong as anadrol, though most will not see the same effects due to unequal dosages. Dbol is known as a kick start compound in cycles. Its ability to add weight comes on quickly and many people use it in the first 6 weeks of their cycle. Dosages range from 20-100mg a day, though an amateur user should stick to under 50mg to start.



THE CYCLE

OK, lets set up a cycle for a first time user of these compounds combined. Keep in mind this isn***8217;t a beginners cycle and stacking multiple compounds that you haven***8217;t used in the same cycle may cause side effect and leave you wondering what the source of the issue was.


Testosterone Enanthate 300mg twice a week Week 1-12

Deca 200mg twice a week Week 1-12

Dbol 30-50mg a day Week 1-6

HCG 500iu a week (250iu twice a week) Week 1-14




PCT


Pct will be 4 weeks and start 2 weeks after final injection


Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
 
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Good read.. Thanks 3J.

One question though, why only 4 weeks for PCT? I'd think it would be safer to extend to 6 weeks since theres a 19nor included..
 
Good cycle bro good read with all these should really help with putting together some proper cycles for everyone cheers
 
lots of good info here. I just ran this cycle for my first time in the winter and had the best gains so far.
 
What's your thoughts on ppl starting to prefer higher deca then test? A cpl blokes at the gym experimented this way and liked it much better!!
 
What's your thoughts on ppl starting to prefer higher deca then test? A cpl blokes at the gym experimented this way and liked it much better!!
I don't see an issue with it so long as you supplement with proper anti e2 and progestin meds
 
my all time favorite bulker bro

IMO higher deca than test is a personal choice with deca dick being the deciding factor...

Your quite the author my friend
 
It's a matter of choice, that's about it.

Deca is most effective when run at 400mg -600mgs wk. So it depends in general, ya know that even though you are bulking gaining more water is just gong to be lost during your on season if I may call it. If you like to maintain a less defined, lean look most of the time then more Deca than Test.

If you like to keep a leaner look all season then a little less Dec than Test. Then you don't have to loose the water it in which you will anyway.

However 100 - 150 mgs is not going to change much in the scheme of it all as lone as your diet is on point.
 
Is adex okay as an AI? Also, why only 2 weeks till PCT? shouldn't it be 3? Or does the deca change things? And lastly, since Deca takes so long to take effect, would a 14 week cycle make better use of it? Oh, and...shouldn't you stop Deca a couple of weeks before Enanthate? Sorry for all the questions. They all come from things I've read on this forum.
 
Is adex okay as an AI? Also, why only 2 weeks till PCT? shouldn't it be 3? Or does the deca change things? And lastly, since Deca takes so long to take effect, would a 14 week cycle make better use of it? Oh, and...shouldn't you stop Deca a couple of weeks before Enanthate? Sorry for all the questions. They all come from things I've read on this forum.

Adex is OK. What does 14 wks have to do with it.? Don't understand the Q's, just me.
 
I mean that deca needs more time to be effective, so would a 14 week cycle make better use of it? And, I read in quite a few places on here that you should stop taking Deca 2 weeks before you stop taking Test. If that's wrong...well, it's only what I read elsewhere on here, so in the face of contradicting/differing info, it makes sense to me to ask about it. I know it's not always a matter of correct and incorrect, but always better to ask, I think


Adex is OK. What does 14 wks have to do with it.? Don't understand the Q's, just me.
 
I mean that deca needs more time to be effective, so would a 14 week cycle make better use of it? And, I read in quite a few places on here that you should stop taking Deca 2 weeks before you stop taking Test. If that's wrong...well, it's only what I read elsewhere on here, so in the face of contradicting/differing info, it makes sense to me to ask about it. I know it's not always a matter of correct and incorrect, but always better to ask, I think

You may have misunderstood me, MY fault. A 12 wk cycle is good for you. So you would stop the Deca tw (2) weeks before the end at 8 weeks. But NOTHING wrong with a 14 week cycle and stopping Deca 2 wk ahead. If for no other reason it helps a little in the shedding of the water you hold it any. Ok

I will tell you I started at age 30 and I've always done long cycles. Just me.
Your Q's are good! better to clarify now then latter, OK! :)
 
You may have misunderstood me, MY fault. A 12 wk cycle is good for you. So you would stop the Deca tw (2) weeks before the end at 8 weeks. But NOTHING wrong with a 14 week cycle and stopping Deca 2 wk ahead. If for no other reason it helps a little in the shedding of the water you hold it any. Ok

I will tell you I started at age 30 and I've always done long cycles. Just me.
Your Q's are good! better to clarify now then latter, OK! :)

Ahh, good. Why only 2 weeks to PCT on this cycle? Currently everyone is saying that you should wait 21 days for a 12 week cycle on Enanthate and I assume that's at 500mg/week.
I'm thinking of making this my second cycle, as I already have quite a bit of Deca and won't need to get much more. I know about not adding more than one compound each cycle, but I took a chance on my first cycle and used D-bol to kickstart and responded well with no sides.
I think I had another question about this cycle, but I can't remember it right now. It would have been in my first post if tehre was one
 
Guys there are alot of variations. This isn't the only cycle that works. It's just a basic one. Lol.
 
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