Test E first then add Dbol? Good idea?

[UserAt204]

Cobra I agree with the test e or c only for first. That is easier to maintain blood levels and observe what is happening with your body. I have heard others say its ok to add an oral kick start but that defeats the purpose IMO.

You will be able to gain just fine off test only. I honestly don't have a problem with test only cycles at any point in the game. It may not be the best after you have run a few cycles but will still produce results.

 

[Cobra Strike]

user...I am 200% all about test only on the first cycle...I am also dead set on running that alone so you can learn from your body for future cycles....it would suck getting sides and not knowing where they are coming from and just having to stop all your shit in the middle of your cycle...I bash anyone who tells someone advice just because they write it off as "gonna do it anyway" but thats just me...anyway..ya we hugged lol

do you think hes got a sackdazzler???? ladies might like that

 

[super-pump]

okat this thread has gotten a little out of hand but from everything I have read on other posts and this one, I think I trust COBRA STRIKE a hell of a lot more than bschmidt. so, this post is aimed at you mostly COBRA STRIKE! here goes.....I want you to explain to me why dbol and test e is a bad first cycle...other users on various message boards agree that test e and dbol stacked is as good a cycle as any....as for the side effects I have been told a few times now that if I start dbol and test e at the same time I will still know which causes the side effects if there are any because if it happens in the first couple of weeks it is almost surely the dbol whereas if they begin more than a couple weeks in it's the test e since the test doesn't even start to work until long after the Dbol has kicked in....

 

[Cobra Strike]

okat this thread has gotten a little out of hand but from everything I have read on other posts and this one, I think I trust COBRA STRIKE a hell of a lot more than bschmidt. so, this post is aimed at you mostly COBRA STRIKE! here goes.....I want you to explain to me why dbol and test e is a bad first cycle...other users on various message boards agree that test e and dbol stacked is as good a cycle as any....as for the side effects I have been told a few times now that if I start dbol and test e at the same time I will still know which causes the side effects if there are any because if it happens in the first couple of weeks it is almost surely the dbol whereas if they begin more than a couple weeks in it's the test e since the test doesn't even start to work until long after the Dbol has kicked in....

That is a good theory...but is it worth risking the knowledge? I mean why push the limits? You are your own person and can make your own decisions but if the masses say its not a good idea do you think they are wrong? The side effects of test can happen to different people at different times...lets say your one of those people that it happens to at the beginning and then you blame it on the dbol...so the next cycle comes and you add in another compound...the side effects happen again...now your like wtf...which one do I drop or lower the dose on...see the second you inject the test side effects are possible..your body will be using the exogenous test and your natty test will be shut down...also the exogenous test will be at much higher levels than your natty test is. Its just my opinion but I strongly feel that you shouldnt rush it and just run the test and see how just test makes your body feel...you can then and only then contribute everything that happened on that cycle to test...then on your second cycle go ahead and throw in the dbol...and you will be able to separate not only the side effects but also the effects of both.

thats how I look at it though...I hope I explained that clearly enough....its all about personal experience and aas knowledge gain...so consider test your "contolled" experiment...because in essence that is what your first cycle is

oh and in my experience...dbol isnt all that great...its fun but I probably wont run it again...its dangerous on your joints and tendons because the strength gains happen fast...and you retain water so you will have a round look and anyone with any knowledge of this stuff will see that your putting on water weight which isnt something that you can brag about in the gym lol

 

[UserAt204]

X 2. That is good in theory and most people will not experience any sides until later in the game from test, but you never know how it will effect you. Besides you don't need anything more on a first cycle. You will grow like crazy first time around. Save the dbol for next time.

 

[super-pump]

thanks again cobra....so my next question is have you ever ran test e alone? and if so, how long did you run it for and what can I expect in terms of gains?

 

[UserAt204]

Test e alone at anytime is good IMO. As long as you are eating the calories to grow and training hard you should expect to gain a lot of weight and strength. Everyone wants to gain 20lbs a cycle but if you gain 10 that's a ton.

I usually go 10 to 16 weeks but for a first 10 to 12 would be great.

 

[Cobra Strike]

thanks again cobra....so my next question is have you ever ran test e alone? and if so, how long did you run it for and what can I expect in terms of gains?

no...I havent...because I listened to some guys I met in the gym and they pretty much fucked me over...thats why I am so dead set against people doing it the wrong way...but I can tell you that the gains will vary from person to person...it all depends on what you eat, how you train, sleep, pct, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in or not..shit like that...in the end after pct...you could walk away with 3-10 lbs extra...but this would be something that a guy with experience just running test would better answer...the best thing I like about test is how it makes you feel on a daily basis...very good well being for me

 

[super-pump]

okay, my plan was to have arimidex while on cycle and PCT consisting of Novaldex and Clomid.....sound alright to you guys? what about dosage for these?

 

[Cobra Strike]

okay, my plan was to have arimidex while on cycle and PCT consisting of Novaldex and Clomid.....sound alright to you guys? what about dosage for these?

go with aromasin if you havent picked up the adex...12.5/ed all the way through pct...you can also wait to start your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) till your nips get soar if you want...you can run both nolva and clomid but one will suffice...clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[UserAt204]

Clomid 50,50,50,50
Nova 40,40,20,20

Adex will vary based on your needs. I have done as little as .25 e3d to .5 Ed
Now I use aromisin because when you run it through your pct, it will not cause estro to rebound. If you use adex taper down the dose through post cycle therapy (pct).

Read more about Aromatase inhibitor (AI) because many people don't use them or feel they need them. I think they are needed and I am gyno prone but if you are running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I would personally use Aromatase inhibitor (AI) because it will result in increased estro.

 

[super-pump]

I am not using HCG...and you mean run the aromasin from the time i start the cycle every day through the end of PCT as well? and you're saying if I use arimidex to do the same except taper down the doses until the end of my post cycle therapy (pct)? one more....from it's profile and my "extensive" research it seems to me that clomid is probably more reliable than novaldex...what do I base my decision on which one to get if just one of them will suffice?

 

[Cobra Strike]

I am not using HCG...and you mean run the aromasin from the time i start the cycle every day through the end of PCT as well? and you're saying if I use arimidex to do the same except taper down the doses until the end of my post cycle therapy (pct)? one more....from it's profile and my "extensive" research it seems to me that clomid is probably more reliable than novaldex...what do I base my decision on which one to get if just one of them will suffice?

either one will work bro...and why not run hcg??? it helps keep gains and thats the point right?

user is dead on with his Aromatase inhibitor (AI) advice

 

[BSchmidt350z]

.im arguing that he didnt need to give the kid advice on taking dbol when everyone on this forum knows thats not correct

With all due respect, I find it funny that you can look at what I wrote and consider that "giving advice to take dbol"

You actually interpreted that as advising him to take dbol?

I really thought this was pretty clear....

You clearly have not done enough research which means you are not ready.

The #1 absolutely overwhelmingly popular recommendation for first cycle is Test E/C for 12 weeks 500 Mg week. 250 Mon AM, 250 Thurs PM.

If your gonna be thick headed (like me) and do what u want anyway, add Dbol weeks 1-4 or 1-4 @ 30-40 per day.

I REPEAT, it is suggested to start with TEST ONLY..

OFF TOPIC: The truly ironic part about this post, is for my first real cycle I chose Test + dbol LOL!!! I'm only on day 29, but so far I am very happy. We shall see what happens in the next 8 weeks, but as of now im +20 lbs and a hell of a lot stronger.

 

[Cobra Strike]

With all due respect, I find it funny that you can look at what I wrote and consider that "giving advice to take dbol"

You actually interpreted that as advising him to take dbol?

I really thought this was pretty clear....

yes...i did interpret it that way...and I still do...you said...since your going to do it anyway and then advised him how to do it...even though thats not the best way to run dbol...am I missing something here? Did you not tell him your way of doing dbol?

 

[Cobra Strike]

and im not bashing you for suggesting test only...I just dont appreciate it when people enable other people to do things that are wrong....like buying drugs for you kids..they are going to do it anyway right??

 

[UserAt204]

Wait!! Im not supposed to give my kid drugs!!!
I knew I had something backwards. Damn

 

[Cobra Strike]

haha ya dude...didnt you know that when they turn 12 your suppose to teach them how to smoke crack so they dont look stupid in front of their friends???

I fuckin love people that have no compasion for another humans health...how can you even argue that??? IMO its setting yourself up making you look like a dick but thats MO hahaha

 

[UserAt204]

Ha ha. My girl thinks I'm an idiot. Sitting here late at night laughing at the computer.

Hopefully he was just making a general statement that the guy wouldn't listen to advice and do it anyway. I'm assuming the explanation on how to use it got ya. Trust me I had people telling me I needed tren ace, test, dbol my first cycle and no post cycle therapy (pct) and cruise on test 250 then blast for an entire year. And these pricks were friends. I guess they had more gear then brains thank god I didn't take that advice. And we are talking about a high school teacher, and an engineer.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Ha ha. My girl thinks I'm an idiot. Sitting here late at night laughing at the computer.

Hopefully he was just making a general statement that the guy wouldn't listen to advice and do it anyway. I'm assuming the explanation on how to use it got ya. Trust me I had people telling me I needed tren ace, test, dbol my first cycle and no post cycle therapy (pct) and cruise on test 250 then blast for an entire year. And these pricks were friends. I guess they had more gear then brains thank god I didn't take that advice. And we are talking about a high school teacher, and an engineer.

WOW!!!! Dam bro Im glad you didnt listen to that...trt forever from that one

Ya the wife is the same way...she was playin with the dog earlier and im in the middle of studying and posting and shes like honey look at what hes doing....I was like wtf do you want im busy...hahahaha