Test E/Tren E

peoples these times are running tren like it was primo... tren is is a hard drug, don't mess with it. for my personnal experience ( and i did almost 10 cycle of tren-e) 750 mg/week was the maximum than my metabolism can cycle...

anyway over 1500 mg/week of hormones have to be concidered as a waste of gear.
 
I was running it at 800mg per week and my tren at 500mg. I really want to try running it with less test then tren but its gonna have to wait for the next cycle. If I was going to do it I think that I would go 400test/600tren...I just feel like anything more than 600 is dangerous

see here is the thing and where i dont understand the logic of most.

its safe to run 800 test and 500mg tren=1300mg gear?

but its not safe to run 300 test and 700 tren=1,000mg gear?

people have NO CLUE how bad estrogen is for our bodies, its like the devil. estrogen has been linked to cancer MANY MANY times, yet there has NEVER EVER been a casual link between test and cancer??????

IMHO estrogen, in high amounts, is the absolute WORST thing you can put in your body. then on top of that AI's are FAR MORE toxic for our bodies than AAS. so to me, it just doesn't add up.

400 test is too much, 300 would be THE MAX i will run from now, its just not worth the sides...........................

i dont get sides from tren.......................but i get a ton of sides when i run 1300mg test.............................

Bottomline aroma is what is bad for you....................not saying tren is good for you, but its def not as bad as high estrogen............................
 
look im runnign tren hgher then my test BUT my tren is under 50mg ew and test arond 300-400mg ew.
I WOULD NEVER rec 700mg of tren to ANYONE. i would not ever pass 500mg ew and usually only go 300-400mg ew. .

thats fine too, but i bet money if you drop the T to 250-300 you will like the gains MUCH MORE, they will be MUCH less sloppy.
 
I know this is a very sticky topic, cause it goes against all the bro-lore. Just look at the reports since we have been talking about it though, there are TONS of people reporting back to me on how much they like running a low dose T with more tren, TONS.

the gains are dry gains, and the sides are WAY less............................
 
check this out, posted by massive 123

Found this... Thought it was pretty interesting. Whaddya think Chip?


The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the SARM-like potential of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called SARM-like because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as igf-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolones lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print]
 
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I agree with you det...im just not ready to say that its ok to run 700mg or more of tren a week lol

my next cycle is deca and now im wondering if I should just switch it back to test and tren. I love tren and I was doing it the wrong way....I cant imagine what would happen if I ran it like this. Fml

so det you would not recommend going higher then 300mg per week with test no matter how high you go with the tren??
 
Not trying to hijack a thread, but looked into this alot before starting my prop ace cycle, I am currently running 100mg prop and 75mg ace ed, im on day 25, sides have been minimal, I was going 8 weeks on the ace and then 12 on the prop, know for the question is too late to switch things around and run the tren higher than the prop for the remainder? Or just keep it the way it is and try it next time?
 
Not trying to hijack a thread, but looked into this alot before starting my prop ace cycle, I am currently running 100mg prop and 75mg ace ed, im on day 25, sides have been minimal, I was going 8 weeks on the ace and then 12 on the prop, know for the question is too late to switch things around and run the tren higher than the prop for the remainder? Or just keep it the way it is and try it next time?

you could flop them, but i would do it gradually so that SHBG does not become a problem, i dont think it will but just be aware
 
800 mg of tren is too fuckin much for anybody unless they are trying to destroy their liver and heart... Do y'all even get your blood check???? I'm a RN and I can tell u too many cycles of that and u will be receiving dialysis twice a week from your liver giving out trust me....my stats and last cycle/ 800 test e and 400 tren e 230 11% body fat... It will work if your diet is good
 
800 mg of tren is too fuckin much for anybody unless they are trying to destroy their liver and heart... Do y'all even get your blood check???? I'm a RN and I can tell u too many cycles of that and u will be receiving dialysis twice a week from your liver giving out trust me....my stats and last cycle/ 800 test e and 400 tren e 230 11% body fat... It will work if your diet is good

LMAO-ok but those dosages were safe HAHAHAHA-maybe you should concentrate on getting your hemo down after a cycle like that........................... Im no longer posting in this thread, it is clear to see that this guy knows everything. trust him, it works

just for shits and giggles, can you please, Mr. RN, explain how my heart is going to get destroyed on 800mg tren, but not 800mg test? <----------- this ought to be good.
 
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LMAO-ok but those dosages were safe HAHAHAHA-maybe you should concentrate on getting your hemo down after a cycle like that........................... Im no longer posting in this thread, it is clear to see that this guy knows everything. trust him, it works

just for shits and giggles, can you please, Mr. RN, explain how my heart is going to get destroyed on 800mg tren, but not 800mg test? <----------- this ought to be good.

hahaha OH SNAP!
 
LMAO-ok but those dosages were safe HAHAHAHA-maybe you should concentrate on getting your hemo down after a cycle like that........................... Im no longer posting in this thread, it is clear to see that this guy knows everything. trust him, it works

just for shits and giggles, can you please, Mr. RN, explain how my heart is going to get destroyed on 800mg tren, but not 800mg test? <----------- this ought to be good.

Key word being RN, not chief surgeon of the cardio department.
 
not to be disrespectful but all the RNs I see running around dont really know much more than how to follow a dr's orders ;) We all could learn protocols pretty easily lol What Im saying is that an RN really doesnt get to decide Tx's
 
you could flop them, but i would do it gradually so that SHBG does not become a problem, i dont think it will but just be aware

Hey Det, I am wondering should I see better gains running the tren higher or is it more to combat sides? I have had no major sides as of yet besides some back acne and sweating like pig. Other than that dick is hard as a rock mood is good sleep is good and since my girl has been scrubbing my back good that's even going away,,I have always been lucky with sides but I ran the test real high this time for fear of tren dick,my girl let's me run all the gear I want but if the dick goes limp im cut off haha,,
 
its fine. the gains will just be different with less test. dont get me wrong i love how test makes me feel, especially up around 7-800mg a week. the goal really is to get the gains without the water, besides if i wanted to get huge with water i would just run 700T 600 deca.

To me, tren is used for an entirely different reason than a pure, every once counts bulk.
 
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