Test prop Tren Ace Winstrol cycle with post cycle therapy (pct) need advice

[pipeline]

Test prop Tren Ace Winstrol cycle with PCT need advice

Hey there i am new to posting on this site but a long time reader. im trying to put together my first cycle with a short ester of tren i have run two basic cycles before one being Test E and winstrol with nolva as post cycle therapy (pct). my other cycle being an all oral cycle of 12 weeks of anavar. im 23.

My goal for this cycle is to put on lean mass with a hardened look. I am open to suggestion and any educated opinions how how to change it either through doses or substances. I really thank you all for any help you can give me.

10 week cycle and PCT

Weeks 1-10 - Test E 500mg - 2cc a week
Weeks 1-6 -Tren acetate 100mg EOD – 1cc every other day 3 cc a week total of 300mg a week
7-10 weeks – winstrol 50mg ED last 4 weeks
PCT
Weeks one thru three of recovery (begin the week after last anabolic steroids intake): 1,000U Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), IM, Monday, Wednesday, Friday; 20mg Nolvadex daily; 50mg Clomid daily.
Weeks four thru six: 20mg Nolvadex daily; 50mg Clomid daily.
Weeks seven, eight: Clean.


thanks again everyone

 

[JWS77]

First cycle test only. Results are dependent on diet (cut/bulk). You don't need tren on first cycle. Besides, your proposed cycle looks bad, you got it all wrong anyway as far as doses. Winstrol (winny) is useless unless you wanna compete. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be sub-q, not IM. Here's a good first cycle:

wk 1-12 test @ 500mg EW
wk 1-12 or wk 3-12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 500iu EW (if you got it run it)
wk 14-18 pct 50mg clomid ED

AI on hand for gyno/estro sides.

 

[justhav2p]

STats?

Age:23
Height?
Weight?
BF%?
Boner?

 

[bigherm2121]

Ya if you've been reading for a long time you would have read your cycle is not good for a first cycle. Stick to test only. How's your diet? What's your bf%? If your 23 your still a bit young!

 

[coltmc45]

It's not his first cycle guys it's his first with a short ester compound. He ran a test only cycle and a shitty anavar oral only cycle.

Op, why don't you switch to either prop and ace or test e tren e? If you're gonna pin eod you mine as well keep the same esters. Less confusing IMO. Also, in your proposed cycle, you need to start pct 2 wks after last pin not 1. Clomid for 6 wks is overkill.

 

[pipeline]

hey thanks for the responses, like i said this is not my first cycle just my first with a short ester as i have never thought of doing one before so i have not done a lot of the research regarding to the short ester with a longer ester being viable for results.

The reason im running (this is totally theory and why i posted before trying) tren a with test e is because test E bring upon best gains in final weeks (through my experience) and i wanted a harder grainier look so running winstrol in those final weeks which i personally found worked within 1 week would b most effective like this. As for the tren a because it starts showing results so early in a cycle i was hoping to put a fair amount of mass on in the first few weeks from the tren and then drop the water from it with the winstrol.

Now im obviously new to short esters and have never used tren so any advice would b great. as for hcg being sub q that is not how it always has to be administered such as a shoulder shot of hcg is IM.

My goal is to put on as much hard quality muscle that i will be able to keep. I am not so concerned with strength but over all muscle gain. My first cycle put me from 190 (after a 32 lb cut from 222 natural, obviously my bf% was relatively high probly around 16% from at the start) to 215 at 12% bf and i kept all my strength gains. As for my var cycle that was because i did not want to run a post cycle therapy (pct) (nolva gave me sever acne) and i was just cutting down weight i got to 8% at 205. After running both of those i am now at 210 around 12% bf again. im 5 10.

If anyone could recommend a better cycle for lean mass gains as well as a post cycle therapy (pct) following it im more then open to it.