Test Prop Vs. Test Eth/Cyp...FACT OR FICTION??

[diggydev]

What's up brothas, My next cycle is not for awhile but I'm forever reading up.

I'll be doing a Test, Primo Depot, Anavar cycle. I have all Primo, Anavar (var), post cycle therapy (pct) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I haven't decided on which test to use yet.

I read a lot about how Test Prop tends to have less sides then eth or cyp. Bloat etc. I have done prop and loved it. Is it a fact that T-prop causes less sides? How can an ester actually cause more or less sides? I would think the test is the source of the all the sides and not it's ester. I've read some opinions that prop is definitely better for lean gains as opposed to eth/cyp for the bulking gains.

Main reason why I'm asking is obviously primo has an enathanate ester attached and think it would be much easier pinning with two eth ester compounds. I'm loooking for LBM for next cycle..just curious what ology members have to say. or is it..test is test???

Diet is on point via 3J, training and rest g2g as well.

thanks boys.

 

[Teutonic]

test is tes./t...pinning and your own personal dna make up the differance...i m o

 

[yearightbuddy]

test is tes./t...pinning and your own personal dna make up the differance...i m o

This, all ur hearing is broscience derived from the fact that test e is a supposed better bulking ester because u can do 12+ weeks on it because of the amount of pins.

In reality Test is Test. and the reason people say that sides are less with P than E is because p has an active life of 3 days while e 14. which means that its is harder to control the amount of test at any given time in the body with e.

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

I believe as it seems very logical, that the longer the ester the longer the hormone lingers around before even doing anything useful. It's known that test converts to estrogen more over time, so more of an LE test will convert to estrogen than with a SE test. So enanthate allows more test to become estrogen. Propionate, acetate or suspension activate and run their course so much quicker that there's no where near enough time for the same ratio of test to estrogen conversion. It is greatly influenced by genetics and body type too tho, no doubt.

It IS "bro-science" but I only know because of blood work I've had done on last(enanthate) and this(acetate) cycle. Almost the SAME overall test levels but with acetate I have much lower estrogen. I'm much drier and more cut too which is indicative of less aromatization

 

[diggydev]

thanks for the insight guys. i appreciate it.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I believe as it seems very logical, that the longer the ester the longer the hormone lingers around before even doing anything useful. It's known that test converts to estrogen more over time, so more of an LE test will convert to estrogen than with a SE test. So enanthate allows more test to become estrogen. Propionate, acetate or suspension activate and run their course so much quicker that there's no where near enough time for the same ratio of test to estrogen conversion. It is greatly influenced by genetics and body type too tho, no doubt.

It IS "bro-science" but I only know because of blood work I've had done on last(enanthate) and this(acetate) cycle. Almost the SAME overall test levels but with acetate I have much lower estrogen. I'm much drier and more cut too which is indicative of less aromatization

Actually, that does make sense. Even tho it's just bro-science. My estro levels were lower when I was using testosterone cream. Don't know if it's true but it might be.

 

[UserAt204]

Diggy very smart response brotha. It is bro science. Test is test. The ester only determines number of injects.

If you think about this prop or ace should actually cause more bloat or estro because they cause T to rise quickly then decline. The bodies response is to create aromatase which converts estro but that doesn't drop so in theory they would cause more estro.


The truth is ester is only to know how often to pin. They all work the same for cutting/bulking and diet and water intake cause bloat.

Estro conversion is a separate issue because BF and other factors can effect that but I'm happy to see you are thinking about this the right way as well as the others.

 

[DADAWG]

people wil run 100mg of prop every other day and swear they bloated less than their last eth or cyp cycle at 500-600 mg a week .
no shit , 350 a week bloats less than 500-600 a week.
many people tend to run less prop than eth or cyp because of the constant injections and low mg gear along with some props are painfull.
in this day and age bloat from test is a joke anyway , theres arimidex and aromaisn available everywhere you look to control estrogen and bloat.

 

[diggydev]

You guys all make great points. Esp the fact dadawg points out....when doing prop, 100 EOD, that's about 350mg per week average. When doing 2cc's a week of eth, that's 500mgs per week and over 12 weeks, thats a shit load more test, hence possibility of more sides.

I will be doing aromasin all the way through PCT so I think i'll stick with the Test-E. Less injections and frankly, more test overall. I'm a glute/glute/delt/delt guy...so that rotation doesn't beat the shit out of the injection spots like when I was doing Test-P

Thanks again guys....appreciate you takin the time to help me out.

 

[UserAt204]

Good thread for guys who always hear these types of things.

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

I'm actually talking BLOOD WORK results from last year using 600mg/wk of test enanthate and BLOOD WORK again this year using 600mg/wk test acetate as well. I take 1mL 6x/wk, taking Sundays off. Also 1mL tren acetate EOD, same in both cycles =)

 

[smiley02]

test is test its all bout the ester short or long..

 

[TexasGiant1177]

test is test its all bout the ester short or long..

not to be a doucher or anything, but no one has touched on the fact that these tests all hold ester weights....... which highly highly!!!! affect the amount of testosterone actually in each one... Testosterone enanthate and cypionate both have extremely heavy molecular esters so on 500mg of test e or c your actually only pinning 308mg or so of test... the ester weights on test prop/acetate exct hold almost no ester weight and there for you actually are getting a greater amount of test mg/mg. 500mg of test E is far less test than 350mg prop a week. Also prop/acetate tend to be about 1/2 the price as any long estered test. I think anyone should really do research on all of these compounds ester weights before they choose to run anything. you may think your pinning 300mg of tren e a week... but your only putting in 218mg or active tren. this could really mess your cycle up cause your not running effective dosages even though you think you are.

 

[Carnagereport11]

Texas giant made the best points

 

[JimiThing]

You dont get "more test"because of ester weight. In fact most dont know it but over time a longer ester results is higher levels of test than a shorter one but it is so small (the difference) it is totally insignificant.
Test is test. Diet and estrogen determine bloat.