Test tren win clen

[HeartofaLeo]

Hey fellas... got a couple ?'s

I am planning ahead and was wondering about this cycle.

Test Prop 1-10
Tren Ace 1-10
Winny 7-12

I already have the Winstrol (winny) & I'm goin to use it & see how my body reacts no matter what you anti-winny ppl say. If Winstrol (winny) gives me any undesirable sides, I'll just drop it.

But the real question I wanted to ask was about clen. Is it okay to run clen when not on cycle? I thought about running clen before the cycle OR run the clen from weeks 1-6.

I have never taken Tren or Clen so I am uneasy about starting two NEW compounds into my body at the same time.

 

[Trevdog]

You can run clen on or off cycle.

However, clen starts to lose its effectiveness after a few weeks. Unlike androgen receptors, the beta 2 receptors (which clen agonizes/activates), essentially get "saturated". For this reason, most people run clen for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Alternatively, you can take ketotifen while using clen, which prevents the "saturation" effect and keeps the clen working. However, ketotifen makes you very sleepy and may increase appetite.

 

[HeartofaLeo]

ahh hell with ketotifen then. I sleep enough as it is! What would u say is most effective. Cycling on and off of the clen or taking it with benadryl every 3rd week (3rd I believe)

What ECA stack is preferred? most popular/effective

 

[phr33k]

Tren vs. Clen

Hey brother..

first off what are your stats, and do you know your body fat%

So, speaking just from my own personal experience and the reaserch iv done. Trenbolone is one of my fav to use. You get amazing strength gains, you get this incredible hardness and you dont retain water like test. I'v used up to 700 mg a week of tren-a, the draw back is that you have to inject frequently so you have to get familur with shooting in more then 4-5 places. If your going to do the Winstrol (winny) id say combo it with the tren before the clen.. the Winstrol (winny) and tren combo has this amazing effect, however if your planning on doing a crazy amount of cradio, what I have read and experienced is that the tren effects your cradio stamina. However, if your planning on moderate cardio and have a good diet and lifting 70% of what your max lift for 6-8 reps is and pushing 15-20 reps ( dosent have to be exact but as many as you can until failur ) the trean and Winstrol (winny) combo will rip the Fu*k out of you. I'v used clen before and what I experienced and what everyone i know experienced is that the clen will rip you however everyone i know gained back the weight very quickly. The clen accelerates your heart rate and as a result you burn more calories, it does have an amazing cutting and ripping effect but not much for building. With the tren, you have the benifits of Strength, hardening and it helps fight catabolisum. ( Your body wont eat away at the muc as quickly.) keep your gains while adding them.

quote from www.mesomorphosis.com

Trenbolone use produces an impressive amount of new muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) This may be done partly through an increase in IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2), and increased sensitivity of muscle satellite to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3) and an increase in the amount of DNA per muscle cell.


The test prop is good, but will cause a little bit of bloating, that wont be as bad because of the tren, but you will see better ripping results about 1-2 weeks after your cycle.

The Winstrol (winny) depending on how many mg's I wouldn't run anymore then 5 weeks @ 75mgs a day.

I'm currently running

Test Prop
Tren A
Winny tabs all of them for 5 weeks.

my 2 cents

 

[I_feel_nothing]

monitor your b/p while running test/tren/clen

 

[HeartofaLeo]

I believe I am just going to run Test & Tren... as I am a firm believer not to take more than one new compound at a time because then ya never know whats doin what. Guess I'll just have to save the Winstrol (winny) for the next one. I was planning on doing low intensity cardio like 6 days a week while on T & T.

 

[Trevdog]

ahh hell with ketotifen then. I sleep enough as it is! What would u say is most effective. Cycling on and off of the clen or taking it with benadryl every 3rd week (3rd I believe)

What ECA stack is preferred? most popular/effective

I *believe* that benadryl works like ketotifen, but I haven't seen it proven conclusively. Assuming for sake of argument that it does work like ketotifen, then taking the benadryl with clen would be more effective than cycling on and off since you'd be on the clen for a longer period of time.

I like ephedrine HCL at about 20-25 mgs. along with 200 mgs. of caffeine. Aspirin does increase the fat burning effect, but aspiring also inhibits protein synthesis. I also like to add green tea extract and forskolin.

 

[HeartofaLeo]

those of you who have tried tren, is it the fact that you CANT do cardio or you dont feel motivated to do HIGH intensity?

 

[phr33k]

Cardio vs tren

It's not that your not movitvate... you can do anything if your motivated to do it.

On a preformance level....

Tren is an accellerant, you can do cardio but i found that I was winded sooner then if i had been not on. However I did push harder and feel much much more agressive when i was on it. could be do to the fact you push harder and you gain greater pump and also to do with face your lungs are a little more restricted from your whole body being pumped.

you can do cardio... just dont look at running any marathons....

I'v been on tren and played full games of full court basketball. Just you'll find you breath a little bit heavy at times.

I would recomend the Winstrol (winny) and tren....

Deadly combo if you wanna shread the weight...


read up on the combo.

 

[HeartofaLeo]

so do u fellas think that tren and win are the most effective in the long run? Or what? Give me some information on what works the best for you

 

[Vennom96]

My favorite AS is a tossup b/w anadrol or tren by far. Both give incredible strength gains. I notice I lean out a little too while on tren b/c it raises your body temp or something and makes me sweat a lot.