Testosterone is still ultra high after pct

[ArnyYates]

hello,everyone.So i really need your advice.


My cycle was

week 1-8 test e 500mg/week
week 1-9 deca 500/week

week 9-10 test e 750mg/week
week 10-11 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100/eod
week 10-12 test p 150mg/eod

hcg week 3-8 350iu/2x week week 9 off week 10-12 2x350iu/week


So basically my last test e shot was on december 9th and my last test p shot was on dec 23th 2016.

on december 27th i started my pct. nolva + clomid

50/50/50/50
40/40/20/20

yesturday after 4 weeks pct i received my bloodwork
Results :

E2 130 pmol/l ref 90-200

testosterone >52.5

LH <0.00001

SO BASICALLY its already 4.5 weeks after my last test p shot and my test is still ultra high despite lh is ultra low

so what should i do ?

 

[Roush]

you need to get your blood work done 4+ weeks AFTER YOUR DONE WITH PCT . NOT after your last test shot. the PCT and clomid is artificially elevating your blood levels.

so basically you need to wait 4 -5 more weeks from now , after your done taking pct , and then get bloods

 

[ArnyYates]

ok,look.

how is is possible for test to be that high with lh virtually non existent ? its must be steroids still in my system cousing such high test

 

[Primoballin]

Yes^^^^ the pct drugs have artificially elevated your test levels. It'll take several months for homeostasis to occur, be patient. Hormones take a bit to level out

 

[juced_porkchop]

wait 2-3 months after PCT for blood work IMO

 

[ArnyYates]

ok ,can someone explain me.how the hell on earth its possible for clomid and nolva elevate test to that high level without elevating lh ?

 

[Black Beard]

ok ,can someone explain me.how the hell on earth its possible for clomid and nolva elevate test to that high level without elevating lh ?

Also note that deca will show up as testosterone is the lab uses ECLIA instead of LC/MS. It could be deca still in your blood. That is an interesting reading though.

Wait another 60 days at least before you re-test. Too many think they have successfully recovered natural, endogenous production when it's just the PCT drugs still doing their jobs.

 

[ArnyYates]

Also note that deca will show up as testosterone is the lab uses ECLIA instead of LC/MS. It could be deca still in your blood. That is an interesting reading though.

Wait another 60 days at least before you re-test. Too many think they have successfully recovered natural, endogenous production when it's just the PCT drugs still doing their jobs.

i still cant believe this is happening.last deca shot was on like december 1st .... last npp shot on december 17th ~ how its even possible for drug to stay in the system for 45 days...

so pretty much my pct was useless cuz im still on roids....oh gosh 4.5 months on already .hello trt

 

[Black Beard]

i still cant believe this is happening.last deca shot was on like december 1st .... last npp shot on december 17th ~ how its even possible for drug to stay in the system for 45 days...

so pretty much my pct was useless cuz im still on roids....oh gosh 4.5 months on already .hello trt

Not sure on the exact pharmokinetics of nandrolone/deca, but apparently it stays in the body for months-to a year.


Just re-test in a few months and see what happens.

 

[ArnyYates]

should i start using hcg at 300 iu/2 week again ? maybe it will help to reduce demage to my boys

 

[Black Beard]

should i start using hcg at 300 iu/2 week again ? maybe it will help to reduce demage to my boys

Just let everything reset. You ran a 12 week cycle with HCG. Your balls should be okay. Adding HCG will put you back at square one towards recovery.

 

[Black Beard]

Also, what i tell everyone doing PCT. Try to ensure you use reliable, pharm grade ancillaries. One guy recently seemed to have gotten his hands on some AI that was sold to him as PCT. He just crashed his E2 thinking he was recovering.


Word of warning for all.

 

[ArnyYates]

for these who will ever read this topic.the only explanation i found why steroids are still in my system even after last shoy 5 weeks go is that i was doing shots only to my glutes.must be too much injections to the same spots >>> scar tissue and from the information i found online gear tend to stay longer within the scar tissue.so yeh guys dont forget to rotate your injection spots.

 

[juced_porkchop]

i still cant believe this is happening.last deca shot was on like december 1st .... last npp shot on december 17th ~ how its even possible for drug to stay in the system for 45 days...

so pretty much my pct was useless cuz im still on roids....oh gosh 4.5 months on already .hello trt

really deca stays in system for months at some level (why i feel its harder on recovery than some others) but after a month it should mostly be out, it lingers for a wile though due to the nature of deca, especially if you do long runs with it. standard recommendation is usually run test 2weeks longer, but to me thats the MIN, i rec even an extra month of test past the deca really.
I wouldent say it was useless, it takes some longer to recover and also depends what you are using. doing pct was better than non IMO. if anything next time run test a couple weeks longer than this time (so about a month) and make PCT 5 weeks long over 4.

what I would do is wait a month, go for bloods and see where you are and if anything do another same PCT to help out and wait 6-8wks and go for another test.
or a bit more reckless but not too crazy is just run another 4wk pct wait 6-8 weeks and then go for bloods. but i would rec just waiting a bit longer and getting more bloods before doing anything.

 

[juced_porkchop]

for these who will ever read this topic.the only explanation i found why steroids are still in my system even after last shoy 5 weeks go is that i was doing shots only to my glutes.must be too much injections to the same spots >>> scar tissue and from the information i found online gear tend to stay longer within the scar tissue.so yeh guys dont forget to rotate your injection spots.

"Detection Times of Steroids ***8211; Injectable:
Steroid Hormone & Ester Detection Time
Deca-Durabolin Nandrolone-Decanoate 18 Months"

google: nandrolone decanoate detection time
you will see what i posted, now this is not ACTIVE time or even half life, my point is it lingers a while, longer than many others, maste is less than 1/4th that.


although could be true for the scare tissue comment, i highly rec rotating injection sites to avoid sterile abscess (iv had it) and it could go septic (means hospital) on top of the scar tissue.

 

[Black Beard]

JP is right, individuals have different genetic clearance rates for steroids.

 

[Nightmare007]

Give it another 4 weeks and get your blood work done again

 

[scorob777]

Look at it this way, your last deca shot was week 9. Assume a 14 day half life.

So weeks 10 and 11 are one half life, like going from 500mg/wk to 250mg/wk still in your system

Weeks 12 and 13 is another half life, so down to equivalent of 125mg/wk

4 days after your week 12 last Test P shot you started PCT with a highly suppressive dosage of deca still in your body, and to a lesser extent (shorter half life) same applies to the Test E. Would it make sense to start PCT and in the first two weeks shoot 125 mg/wk NPP, then in the following two weeks shoot 62.5mg/wk? That's pretty much equivalent in terms of the drug dosage your body is seeing.

In my opinion you should have run the test for another few weeks, say four more - and make those four weeks of test short ester. Then wait two weeks to start your PCT meds.