Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) & dissapearing nuts

[soccercoachu16]

TRT HCG & dissapearing nuts

A better correction from a past thread i wrote.
TRT for about 6yrs. 100mg Cyp a wk & 5mg of Androgel a day. I never knew about HCG
or much of anything until i joined this site THANKS to everyone on it! I'm learning so bare with me. HERES my problem, testicals have shrunk and seem to be dissapearing.
Told my doc about HCG he gave me a script of Novarel for 0.3 ml once every 10 days. I done this for 1.5 months and it done nothing. So does this mean it will not work cuz i didnot start it in the begining of my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Also it says disgard after 30 days , is that true? Plese tell me what you know for sure.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

How many iu/ml is it ?

Reconstituted HCG expires after 30 or 60 days depending on the brand. Novarel is a brand that exprires after 30 days.

 

[Greybeard]

My HRT/TRT Doc has me on 20 IU HCG twice a week and Anastrozole M-W-F. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in but just thought I would throw it out there...

I'm on Test E, Winstrol and Anavar...

 

[Flip TRT]

Soccercoach,
let me help you out and give you some piece of mind.
#1. Your doc is a complete idiot! Why in gods name would he have you on injectable test and androgel at the same time, let alone androgel at all? It doesnt work.
#2. .30ml/300ius every ten days may possibly bring a squirrels nuts back to glory. Not yours!
#3. None of this is your fault. You have put your faith into someone who is a jackass.
#4. The reason your testes aren't coming back to size is because your leydig cells (in your testes) have been desensitized for some time now.
#5. This is not (in most cases) a permanent condition if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is administered properly.

Plain and simple, your leydig cells receive a signal from the brain when Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is administered that they need to "fire up". Like turning the key in the ignition of a car. Once they fire up, the testes will regain size. However, for the engine of a car to fire up, there needs to be enough juice in the battery to start, correct??? .30/300ius every ten days is like trying to charge up a motorcycle battery, then drop it in a corvette and hope it runs! That vette isnt gonna start brother.

You need to shock the shit out of your nuts with a large administration of hgc in order to "wake up the boys".

Day 1: 3000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injected intramuscularly. (my personal preference)
day 5: 1000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) im or sub "q"
day 9: 1000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) im or sub "q"
day 13: 1000ius im or sub "q"
by now the boys should be filling back up. Maybe not full. But getting there. If they are back to size, back your dose down to 500ius every 4th day till finished. (assuming you have 10,000ius of hcg)
if not back to size keep at 1,000ius every fourth day till finished. Depending on the level of desensitization that has occured, you may need to run another bottle. You do need to be careful with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because you can actually use to much of it and cause permanent shutdown, but in your particular situation, that is what you are trying to keep from happening anyway. They need a big jolt. Click my banner. I can get you going on hrt that will actually work...not this emotional roller coaster that this quack has you running with. Good luck.

 

[soccercoachu16]

Trt & hcg

How many iu/ml is it ?

Reconstituted Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) expires after 30 or 60 days depending on the brand. Novarel is a brand that exprires after 30 days.

Stone its says 10,000 USP Units, Reconstitute with10 ml of Bacteriostatic water for injection.

 

[fleverglades]

Soccercoach,
let me help you out and give you some piece of mind.
#1. Your doc is a complete idiot! Why in gods name would he have you on injectable test and androgel at the same time, let alone androgel at all? It doesnt work.
#2. .30ml/300ius every ten days may possibly bring a squirrels nuts back to glory. Not yours!
#3. None of this is your fault. You have put your faith into someone who is a jackass.
#4. The reason your testes aren't coming back to size is because your leydig cells (in your testes) have been desensitized for some time now.
#5. This is not (in most cases) a permanent condition if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is administered properly.

Plain and simple, your leydig cells receive a signal from the brain when Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is administered that they need to "fire up". Like turning the key in the ignition of a car. Once they fire up, the testes will regain size. However, for the engine of a car to fire up, there needs to be enough juice in the battery to start, correct??? .30/300ius every ten days is like trying to charge up a motorcycle battery, then drop it in a corvette and hope it runs! That vette isnt gonna start brother.

You need to shock the shit out of your nuts with a large administration of hgc in order to "wake up the boys".

Day 1: 3000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) injected intramuscularly. (my personal preference)
day 5: 1000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) im or sub "q"
day 9: 1000ius Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) im or sub "q"
day 13: 1000ius im or sub "q"
by now the boys should be filling back up. Maybe not full. But getting there. If they are back to size, back your dose down to 500ius every 4th day till finished. (assuming you have 10,000ius of hcg)
if not back to size keep at 1,000ius every fourth day till finished. Depending on the level of desensitization that has occured, you may need to run another bottle. You do need to be careful with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because you can actually use to much of it and cause permanent shutdown, but in your particular situation, that is what you are trying to keep from happening anyway. They need a big jolt. Click my banner. I can get you going on hrt that will actually work...not this emotional roller coaster that this quack has you running with. Good luck.

Now that is the answer I was looking for on the other post. Great information ffrom an expert.

 

[Older Guy]

hcG protocol and Chip......

This we know.....

hCG is a water based peptide hormone can be injected to replace the lost LH hormone that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) shuts down. Without hCG, the LH receptors in the testes are no longer getting activated. The results are:


* The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for proper mental functioning, and is the precursor to all of the steroid hormones such as DHEA, testosterone, DHT, estrogen, cortisol... Injecting hCG prevents a drug induced pregnenolone deficiency and helps support the other hormones. When guys are on T without hCG and then start hCG, they report a significant improvement in mood that many attribute to restored pregnenolone levels. [If that is not the case, hCG must have some direct effects in the brain.]

Here is the part that differs quite a bit from your protocol Chip.......

Research using SC injections in men has demonstrated the effectiveness of the 250iu EOD dosing.

The research advocates continuing hcG while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (spelled forever) while you seem to be suggesting you should cycle it.....is this a fair assumption?

You keep saying "until finished" testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is for life and as such shouldn't hcG therapy be for life as well. To me it just seems easy to do my Test shot EOD and do the same with the hcG......

I'm confused....can you please clarify what you suggest doing for hcG therapy along with TRT?

Thanks

 

[Flip TRT]

Let me do my best to explain..... First off when i say "untill finished", i am referring to administrations from the 11,000iu vials that i and my clients are used to dealing with from my company. Start big, then taper down..."till finished". I am sorry and should have added more clarity. My fault. As for "cycling" hcg..... That is not really what i am saying at all. I am saying that over time that has had to do with personal expirmentation on myself, in which i have found what i feel to be a very solid and safe method of administration, that running a bottle (11,000ius) of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 8 weeks has proven to be very effective in keeping my "boys" up to size and has given me very good feedback from my clients using this method as well. But you need to remember, everyone is different. There are some guys i talk to that can be running test, etc. For 8,10,12 weeks and not experience much if any shrinkage at all. Then there are some fella's that seem to shrivel after a shot or two. It all depends on the individual, as does my advice for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage. If you go back over just about every post/question regarding hgc that i have answered, they are all very similar in the fact that the subject is talking about "their nuts disappearing". In these cases, althought it may seem repetitive, i will always suggest and aggressive protocol to get the kids "jump started". Once they are fired up, i have no problem if someone would like to do smaller, 3-4 times weekly administrations. Hopefully this cleared some things up that i may have left open ended in previous posts.

 

[Older Guy]

Thx Chip that makes more sense........

Just a sidenote, Interesting that Dr Crisler (a supposed authority on TRT) says this about about hcG therapy.....

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice per week for all testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients now take their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) had overshot its mark.

An Update To The Crisler Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Protocol - Ironlife Magazine Issue #13

*So he says 2 days a week is enough. Like you said Chip it's individual. I think that anyone on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be concerned with more than just small nuts and lack of Jizz......this part of my previous post is every bit as important to take into account IMO.

* The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for proper mental functioning, and is the precursor to all of the steroid hormones such as DHEA, testosterone, DHT, estrogen, cortisol... Injecting hCG prevents a drug induced pregnenolone deficiency and helps support the other hormones. When guys are on T without hCG and then start hCG, they report a significant improvement in mood that many attribute to restored pregnenolone levels. [If that is not the case, hCG must have some direct effects in the brain.]

 

[COWBOYRIDEUP]

Question about my plan

Testosterone Cypionate 200mg x 10ml: Take 1ml. per week. (same day of every week) *day 1 of therapy.
Anastrozole 0.5mg caps; Take 3 caps per week. (mon,wed,fri).
HCG 11,000 units; MIX - load 4.4ml. of bact. water into hcg. its mixed..keep refrigerated.
DOSE - load insulin syringe to #20 and do on days 5 & 6 following testosterone inj.

My question is my ejeculation fluid has decrease by 80% is this normal?

 

[railrider]

I had the same problem. I to was doing my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on days 5 & 6. I now split my injections of both test and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) up. Sunday 100mg test, Tuesday 500iu hcg, Wednesday 100mg test, Friday 500iu hcg. I feel better in all aspects by splitting everything up.

 

[Losway]

Now that is the answer I was looking for on the other post. Great information ffrom an expert.

As clear as day, without your strings and confetti!!!

 

[cjw2021]

500 ius really do you need that much? Do you notice a big difference from 250 to 500?

 

[Losway]

500 ius really do you need that much? Do you notice a big difference from 250 to 500?

parts of this thread are missing so im not sure what was Chip's input on the question referring to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), after bringing the boys back to normal.

If you personally dont see a difference from 250 to 500 then it might not be necessary to do 500....my 2 cents mang!

 

[TR2838]

Damn, I've been slacking on the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because I'm afraid to shoot my estrogen up.. I feel great right now and I didn't want to mess w/ the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because I'm married and don't plan on having more kids.. I'm glad I read this thread because I didn't realize how many hormones are controlled by the testes.. I'll start back on it tomorrow.. I think I'll just follow Chips instructions from now on and quit playing doctor for myself!