Thanks in advance!

[Mothballs]

Hey guys I'm looking at starting my 2nd cycle in a week or two, just waiting for the last of my pct to arrive. I have done crazy amounts of research and this site seemed the most helpful. First cycle I ran sus 250 for 10 weeks with standard nolva post cycle therapy (pct). Saw some decent gains but also held a lot of water so this time I'm looking into something different. Ok so the plan is;

Test E: 600mg a wk (wks 1 - 12)
Deca: 400mg a wk (wks 1 - 12)
Winstrol: ??
Aromasin:10mg ED (wks 1 - 14)
Caber: .5mg E3D (wk 2 - 15)
Clomid: Starting 21 days after last pin 100mg ED for 7 days, then 50mg ED for 14 days.

*Will split test and deca into 2 shots per week.

So i have some winnie tabs as well, just wondering if i should include those or not to my cycle, if so when should i run them and at what dosage? Just trying to get the most out of one cycle for some good mass building. Also i have some nova and letro on hand incase of emergencies!

Any advice/criticism is greatly appreciated as Ive already got all the stuff ready to go (just waiting on the clomid).

Thanks in advance for your help, Peace

 

[Austinite]

Welcome, please list your full stats including age and body fat. .

 

[Rumpy]

Answer Austinite and you'll get lots of feedback. Right off the top, test needs to be run about 2 weeks longer than deca to give the deca time to clear your system before PCT, so you might need to do a little more research.

 

[Mothballs]

Welcome, please list your full stats including age and body fat. .

Thanks for your reply Austinite, my stats are as follows;

Age: 27 (in a couple of weeks)
Height: 6ft 3"
Weight: 104.2kg
BF: 19%

Been training for 2 years now and I know my BF is quite high but I never did a cut phase after my sus 250 cycle because I wasn't really happy with my size (wanted to have a bit more mass) so I decided to do another 'bulking' cycle. Although with my proposed cycle I intend to do 2 days a wk low intensity cardio to keep from gaining too much more fat.

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated,

Thanks

 

[Mothballs]

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[Mothballs]

Answer Austinite and you'll get lots of feedback. Right off the top, test needs to be run about 2 weeks longer than deca to give the deca time to clear your system before PCT, so you might need to do a little more research.

Thanks for your reply also Rumpy. I have read a few threads saying test needs to be run longer than deca and have also read that the same time is fine. Not in any way am I denying what you say is true, I'm just sick of reading conflicting advice so I decided to post my intended plans and have them fine tuned by people of greater knowledge like yourself.

Any idea about the Winstrol?

Appreciate your help mate,

Thanks

 

[The_Brit]

If your looking to bulk I wouldn't run the Winstrol (winny) - it will just dry your joints out, and you'll have too much fat too actually see what its doing. Plus, it will just make your liver and kdneys work un-nesecarily harder.

Have you considered doing a recomp? not looking to add any scale weight, but drop some of the BF? With the test your strength will increase along with the recover, and you'll feel much better in yourself by not having a massive cut ahead of you once your done?

Again, I agree with above in running the Test for longer

 

[Austinite]

Winny will do nothing at that body fat. Not much will. I would not bulk at 19% BF. It's in your best interest to put your cycling plans aside and shed some weight naturally. Otherwise, you will not see much in the mirror, you'll gain even more fat and side effects would be difficult to manage, namely; Estrogen control & Blood pressure.

 

[Rumpy]

Thanks for your reply also Rumpy. I have read a few threads saying test needs to be run longer than deca and have also read that the same time is fine. Not in any way am I denying what you say is true, I'm just sick of reading conflicting advice so I decided to post my intended plans and have them fine tuned by people of greater knowledge like yourself.

Any idea about the Winstrol?

Appreciate your help mate,

Thanks

Fair enough, I cannot argue with there being too much conflicting information out there, I just wanted to make sure you really have researched it. At 3 weeks, you might be OK, but personally I would still run the test a week or two longer and start PCT at around 15-18 days instead of 21. I would run PCT for 4 weeks, Clomid at 100/50/50/50. Are you using Nolva with it? What about HCG? If you haven't already bought everything, consider NPP instead of deca.

As far as the Winstrol (winny), goes, I've never used it, not sure how much benefit you would see, but if you're running it with deca, your joints should be fine. If you already have it and want to use it, I'd go last 4 weeks of your cycle, and add liver protection as well.

I make it a rule not to contradict Austinite, and I do agree with what he said, but if you're set on running a cycle soon, Train HARD and eat well, but try to keep your calories about where they are. You should be able to gain some strength and loose a little belly fat at the same time. Of course you should be able to do that without gear, then run a big bulk cycle after you drop a little body fat.

 

[Mothballs]

Fair enough, I cannot argue with there being too much conflicting information out there, I just wanted to make sure you really have researched it. At 3 weeks, you might be OK, but personally I would still run the test a week or two longer and start PCT at around 15-18 days instead of 21. I would run PCT for 4 weeks, Clomid at 100/50/50/50. Are you using Nolva with it? What about HCG? If you haven't already bought everything, consider NPP instead of deca.

As far as the Winstrol (winny), goes, I've never used it, not sure how much benefit you would see, but if you're running it with deca, your joints should be fine. If you already have it and want to use it, I'd go last 4 weeks of your cycle, and add liver protection as well.

I make it a rule not to contradict Austinite, and I do agree with what he said, but if you're set on running a cycle soon, Train HARD and eat well, but try to keep your calories about where they are. You should be able to gain some strength and loose a little belly fat at the same time. Of course you should be able to do that without gear, then run a big bulk cycle after you drop a little body fat.

This is what I was after, some helpful advice towards my goal for MY body type. It's hard to take in information on what to do for someone else as it may not work on my body with my stats.

So with yours, The Brits and Austinite's advice I have decided I should drop some body fat before taking on another bulk cycle. The problem I have now is I don't know to either do a recomp cycle with just the test like The Brit suggested or do it natural. I know natural would be a lot better for my body but like most people, after the sus I kinda got used to the strength gains and quick repair time. Also the change of the mindset is also good motivation for me to train harder.

I work away in the mining industry and don't have access to calipers and roughly estimated my BF around 19% on pictures of other people and going off my last check around 6 months ago. I could be less or I could be more so if it will help I will post a pic up tonight. I will also try find a tape measure and calculate it the old school way tonight.

I'm not going against your guys advice but I will note what I have on hand at the moment as I have bought it all and just would like maybe a recomp cycle with what I have available..

Test - 2 vials
Tren ace - 1 vial
Deca - 1 vial
Winnie - 150 tabs
Stanazol - 1 vial
Aromasin
Clomid
Caber
Nolva

Obviously the deca is out of the question but would a recomp cycle using some of these be possible?

Thanks again

 

[Mothballs]

Winny will do nothing at that body fat. Not much will. I would not bulk at 19% BF. It's in your best interest to put your cycling plans aside and shed some weight naturally. Otherwise, you will not see much in the mirror, you'll gain even more fat and side effects would be difficult to manage, namely; Estrogen control & Blood pressure.

Not sure how to reply to more than 1 person in a reply yet so I wrote a quick reply to Rumpy with some ideas. Thanks for the info, and sorry if I sound stupid but I am just trying to get a few different options..

Is it not possible for me to do a 'lean' cycle with some test, no deca and low intensity cardio in the mornings followed by some heavy lifting in the afternoons in which I could burn some body fat and put on a small amount of lean muscle? As I said I have all the stuff here and want to give something a go but if u strongly advise that I clean naturally for a few months then I will follow your advice.

Also when I finish work I will post a pic of myself up here if that helps.

Appreciate your help mate