This is getting crazy Need to get an AI

[toMuchTRT]

This is my latest Blood work, this blood test was taken on a trough day, im going to ask for an AI for the DOC. Any recommendations on an AI? and dosage for that level or would i need to do blood on a peak day and not a trough for a better idea? Any help is appreciated. Also are doctors hesitent to prescribe HCH, and AI's everytime i ask doc says i dont need that stuff. just curiousView attachment 563738

 

[oldmusclemike]

We need much more info.
Stats :
age
ht,
wt,
BF%
How long lifting
Are you on TRT now
Your history somewhat
goals etc...
What are you on now....really man??

 

[toMuchTRT]

We need much more info.
Stats :
age
ht,
wt,
BF%
How long lifting
Are you on TRT now
Your history somewhat
goals etc...
What are you on now....really man??

Damm one day ill be a pro like you, im slowly learning sorry here it is

Age 40
6 2"
210lbs
body fat using bmi chart around 26
i started lifting in january after an 8 year break
on TRT since december 2015 200mg weekly
i want to be shreaded but a lean bulk, ive always had a hard time gaining weight got down to 185lbs when my T dropped had no appetite. ive seen quick gains in the gym in a month ive been working out,i have a thin frame as well, never been overweight. also my blood pressure has spiked lately ans ive had hot flushes, and my face gets red

 

[oldmusclemike]

Ok BMI is Body mass index and is not Body Fat %. You can google up some visual charts and I think there is one in the stickys

This forum has much more info than you will even comprehend, but this is where to start. Just go back and read those stickys. Then when you think you have good info in your head you can ask better Q's for yourself and have a better grasp on the answers.

I think you should wait and educate yourself more and get more of a solid base frame on your body before going forward. Welcome aboard and good luck with your reading.

 

[IMT staff]

Its definitely high, not terrible.

Call us and get on a real program

 

[toMuchTRT]

I've Been taking 1/2mg Adex EOD for two weeks trying to bring my E2 down

Last E2 was 55.3 (0.0-39.8)

Did new blood yesterday and now it's 32.5 (0.0-39.8)

Should i stay on that much Adex still or lower to 1/4mg EOD?

Still taking 200mg weekly (100mg twice a week)

Also donated whole blood two weeks ago, unfortunately RBC 6.01 (4.70-5.90) & HGB 18.4 (14.0-17.1) what else can I do to lower that other than lowering my TRT dose? Also HCT 53.1 (49.1-53.1)

Took this blood work yesterday so I imagine there's no trough or peeks doing twice a week injections?View attachment 563972View attachment 563973RBC is covered on first attachment

 

[CobraMustangSVT]

You need to lower your dose. You have all the signs of too much T, i.e. High E, high HGB, high HCT. You're also above range for your total and free T.

You have a choice. You can carry this high maintenance TRT dose, and all the benefits that come with it, constant blood donations, low iron from constantly donating blood, blood pressure issues, messing with AI's and trying to find a sweet spot with dosing AI's, etc. or you can lower your dose and see if you can get a maintenance free TRT with no AI, no blood donations, and no worries of the other issues that come with carrying such a high T level.

 

[Alpin]

Ya that dose u are cruising at is nice for gains man..
But 947 trough ? Ouch...
You will have side effects. Dont know how lean u are but you might just consiser tonning it down a notch.
Aim for a 700 trough....see if u are ok.
Plus u will need hcg to keep your balls running while on TRT. ...

 

[Megatron28]

I've Been taking 1/2mg Adex EOD for two weeks trying to bring my E2 down

Last E2 was 55.3 (0.0-39.8)

Did new blood yesterday and now it's 32.5 (0.0-39.8)

Should i stay on that much Adex still or lower to 1/4mg EOD?

Still taking 200mg weekly (100mg twice a week)

Also donated whole blood two weeks ago, unfortunately RBC 6.01 (4.70-5.90) & HGB 18.4 (14.0-17.1) what else can I do to lower that other than lowering my TRT dose? Also HCT 53.1 (49.1-53.1)

Took this blood work yesterday so I imagine there's no trough or peeks doing twice a week injections?View attachment 563972View attachment 563973RBC is covered on first attachment

If you keep taking that much AI itnis going to put you in a world of hurt. You really should have listened to the advice given to you. I think in a different thread that we told you to take less if I recall correctly.

AI's do nothing about the estrogen already there. They just work to inhibit new estrogen from being formed.

I would recommend .25mg twice a week from here on out. Get blood work in a month and adjust the dose as needed.

You definitely need to donate a pint of blood too.

 

[toMuchTRT]

Kindly appreciate the advice Gents, i believe i was getting caught up with the results i was seeing in the gym only being on this stuff since january. I was a skinny little bastard with very low T for so many years and i feel like a beast now. Your absolutely right i need to lower my dose. Today is injection day what amount of Test Cyp would you guys recommend switching to from 200MG week that would allow for no Peaks or Troughs? The crazy shits is my DOC who also is on TRT told me to take 200mg weekly and the 1/2mg adex eod was told from my last high E2 results. That blood i posted was done the day after Injection so i would imagine i was peaking?

how to guys that cycle on this stuff get by with the side effects with taking such high amount?

 

[Black Beard]

If you have no symptoms and feel good, I wouldn't worry about it. However, you can try a very low dose AI and see if you feel better at a lower level. Slight elevation in estradiol can benefit libido and other health markers. Some people are more sensitive to E2 than others.

 

[toMuchTRT]

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I have lowered my TRT dose to 100mg weekly, stopped taking the AI and my blood pressure is still high. Is the next thing to do is get a prescription to donate blood. Im not able to doante with out a script for another two weeks. This Lab forgot to run the Free T i only got Total T.

 

[Roush]

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I have lowered my TRT dose to 100mg weekly, stopped taking the AI and my blood pressure is still high. Is the next thing to do is get a prescription to donate blood. Im not able to doante with out a script for another two weeks. This Lab forgot to run the Free T i only got Total T.

wait the two weeks and donate blood (unless your RHR and blood pressure are too high that they don't let you donate .. but I've heard that if you get a prescription for a phlebotomy that may hinder your ability to be a blood donor in the future).. Do you consume alcohol ? Are you holding water, edema, or bloated at all ? whats your blood pressure ?

 

[toMuchTRT]

I'm full on hypertension, with the blood pressure medicine 20mg lisinapro its 156, it was 170 at the doc last week. I do drink alcohol at night at bedtime to unwind with Whisky, not bloated no water retention right now.

 

[Roush]

I'm full on hypertension, with the blood pressure medicine 20mg lisinapro its 156, it was 170 at the doc last week. I do drink alcohol at night at bedtime to unwind with Whisky, not bloated no water retention right now.

I've been on TRT for years , before TRT I used to drink alcohol every night to unwind as well and never had BP problems even with the drinking.. BUT after being on TRT the combination of alcohol , high hematocrit, etc. really does a number on blood pressure. 4+ shots of Jim Beam bourbon every night , Once i dropped the Jim Beam, my resting heart rate and blood pressure went down dramatically (with no bp meds and no change in my trt protocol)

Alcohol also causes you to hold water, even if you don't feel bloated. Push on the skin around your ankles, if it turns white when you push on it with red flushing around it then your more then likely holding a lot of water and that will elevate your BP as well.

quit for a few weeks and I bet you will notice a significant difference

 

[toMuchTRT]

Wonderful advice thank you kindly, is that all alcohol or specific types? Beer wine etc? Thx again

 

[toMuchTRT]

Also can HGB,HCT,RBC blood levels go down by stopping alcohol? Or would a blood donation be required ?

 

[daleb]

easiest thing to do is drop the booze. check. then tinker with the ai. check. read up on estradiol side effects. bloating po'ed prostate joint discomfort crying anger erection issues orgasm issues ect and learn how to gauge ur e2 by that. so figure out which issue you want to tackle first and change one thing at a time. my bp went down a lot when i got on an ai. i started to feel better.

 

[Megatron28]

I'm full on hypertension, with the blood pressure medicine 20mg lisinapro its 156, it was 170 at the doc last week. I do drink alcohol at night at bedtime to unwind with Whisky, not bloated no water retention right now.

How long have you been on lisinopril for? Have you considered going up to 40mg daily?

Are you taking cialis daily? That can help a lot with BP and in other areas!

What is your body fat %?

I agree, stop drinking all alcohol for a week and see if it helps your BP.

What is your sodium intake like daily? In general how is your diet?

 

[toMuchTRT]

I've been on lisinopro for about a week and a half. Haven't tried 40mg. I figure since my HGB, HCT, RBC is so high the only way to fix is donate blood when I can again? I'll stop the booze and see how it goes. No Cialis would that help? I already walk around with a boner all day due to my high T. Wife takes care of me as much needed thank god! Not sure about body fat I'm very lean and muscular need to check that soon as well. Good diet however I can see I may eat to much salt at times