Clamp
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Hate to tell you this bud, but you're wrong. Tamoxifen will only attatch to the receptors in breast tissue. Hence the name SELECTIVE Estrogen-Receptor Modulator.
This is me after my first cycle
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Hate to tell you this bud, but you're wrong. Tamoxifen will only attatch to the receptors in breast tissue. Hence the name SELECTIVE Estrogen-Receptor Modulator.
hardtarget
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GOOD Advice!
jrader
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At the end of the day, the decision will be made mostly from your own research and preference rather than the input of most of the people on here. However, I do like to get opinions from the old heads. Good picture.....that's what we're all striving for....I think I'll try it! haha
Very true
MattyIce
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your going to have the same reaction now or later... the idea is that you learn to listen to your body and know how to counter unwanted sides and to recover with proper post cycle therapy (pct). I have no issue with the cycle laid out.
MattyIce
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not been an issue to me or anybody i know. a low dose deca is fine and the benefits really helpful while on cycle
Dr.Phoenix
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So after all that noise you do, this is the cycle you gonna advise ???
Tren and Deca together really ? To a 23 year old kid , do you realize this is his second cycle ???
So you really wish to shut him down and give him a long period of time with recovery problems.
First all should agree , 200 mg Deca will almost not bring any muscle. For a significant anabolic effect it should be minimum 400 mg for your body weight.
Second, offering Tren E in his second cycle is pathetic mistake, you just want a cheap shot. Offer him the strongest injectable available ( after trestolone) and sure he will have good results but what will happen after that, more important does he need Tren right now, Hell No, maybe after 2-3 cycles more.
Third, You offer him complete guaranteed shut down with Deca & Tren combo but dont ever think about advising Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), how you can be sure about recovery?
I saved the most horrible for last, 100 mg Winstrol per day? Are you totally insane ? Injectable or Oral form , this amount of winstrol is totally unneeded and guarantee to fuck your liver up. For 6 weeks???
He is only 23, many people will say he is not old enough for steroids, why are you trying to fuck up his joints , liver , and hormone system ?
Remember, you are the guy who attack me because i tell him he can take 60 anavar per day for 2 extra weeks. 10 instead of 8 , because its the end of cycle and anavar is very mild on liver especially in low doses. Instead you offer him the most toxic oral in a sky high dose.
You attack me because i didnt ask his nutrition plan and after that you offer him this :
diet must be clean.. clean carbs and protein postworkout . ??? Really, are you sure, does he also need Whey and Creatine. Clean Diet ? i thought he was going to take 10000 calories per day
After that you also made a scene about i didnt ask his training routine and this is your advise :
throw in resistance training MMA or boxing workout 3x a week for 25-45 min's. So you are capable of reading Muscle & Fitness ????
Patch,
Sorry about that Aromatize mistake, i was trying to say that this cycle i mention will have very few estrogen related side effects so tamoxifen will be enough. You dont need something strong like Letro.
In the start of thread you asked for a CUT CYCLE, thats why i offered you Test Prop with seperate 6 shots. Thats better way of using it with higher benefits. ED injections is better than EOD when it comes to prop. You can ask this to a lot of people if you wish to CUT. But if you need lean mass, than of course you just need 2 injections per day, any Test E or Cypio will be good for you.
Besides that, you are young and amateur on steroids. With a lot of research you will see that there are many steroids which you can cycle with very good benefits. Tren is the last choice in your situation.
Oxandrolone, Oral Turinabol , Boldenone, Primobolan , Dianabol , Masteron, Deca ( without Tren by a normal dose or NPP).
It is your second cycle so just make a Combo like Test + Bold , Or Primo plus Test . You will have good results.
I will not write anymore in here but if i will not warn you about this than i would guilty.
I assume this Matty guy have a lot friends in here so they back him up even tough his advise is very poor choice but just copy this cycle and ask about it another forum. You will see what type of shit storm you will have after you will say you are 23 and its you planned second cycle.
Thats all i say. I wish you great future. And congrats for your progress in first cycle. Yes you have a long way to go but you can have a great look if you will continue.
Just dont forget that you should be healthy first to enjoy that physique...
fancyhuh101
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lookin jacked man , what are your starts now , weigh heigth age etc , and what were they pre-cycle ?
Dr.Phoenix
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So after all that noise you do, this is the cycle you gonna advise ???
tren and deca together really ? To a 23 year old kid , do you realize this is his second cycle ???
So you really wish to shut him down and give him a long period of time with recovery problems.
First all should agree , 200 mg deca will almost not bring any muscle. For a significant anabolic effect it should be minimum 400 mg for your body weight.
Second, offering tren E in his second cycle is pathetic mistake, you just want a cheap shot. Offer him the strongest injectable available ( after trestolone) and sure he will have good results but what will happen after that, more important does he need tren right now, Hell No, maybe after 2-3 cycles more.
Third, You offer him complete guaranteed shut down with deca & tren combo but dont ever think about advising Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), how you can be sure about recovery?
I saved the most horrible for last, 100 mg Winstrol per day? Are you totally insane ? Injectable or Oral form , this amount of winstrol is totally unneeded and guarantee to fuck your liver up. For 6 weeks???
He is only 23, many people will say he is not old enough for steroids, why are you trying to fuck up his joints , liver , and hormone system ?
Remember, you are the guy who attack me because i tell him he can take 60 anavar per day for 2 extra weeks. 10 instead of 8 , because its the end of cycle and anavar is very mild on liver especially in low doses. Instead you offer him the most toxic oral in a sky high dose.
You attack me because i didnt ask his nutrition plan and after that you offer him this :
diet must be clean.. clean carbs and protein postworkout . ??? Really, are you sure, does he also need Whey and Creatine. Clean Diet ? i thought he was going to take 10000 calories per day
After that you also made a scene about i didnt ask his training routine and this is your advise :
throw in resistance training MMA or boxing workout 3x a week for 25-45 min's. So you are capable of reading Muscle & Fitness ????
Patch,
Sorry about that Aromatize mistake, i was trying to say that this cycle i mention will have very few estrogen related side effects so tamoxifen will be enough. You dont need something strong like letro.
In the start of thread you asked for a CUT CYCLE, thats why i offered you test Prop with seperate 6 shots. Thats better way of using it with higher benefits. ED injections is better than EOD when it comes to prop. You can ask this to a lot of people if you wish to CUT. But if you need lean mass, than of course you just need 2 injections per day, any test E or Cypio will be good for you.
Besides that, you are young and amateur on steroids. With a lot of research you will see that there are many steroids which you can cycle with very good benefits. tren is the last choice in your situation.
Oxandrolone, Oral Turinabol , Boldenone, primobolan , Dianabol , Masteron, deca ( without tren by a normal dose or NPP).
It is your second cycle so just make a Combo like test + Bold , Or Primo plus test . You will have good results.
I will not write anymore in here but if i will not warn you about this than i would guilty.
I assume this Matty guy have a lot friends in here so they back him up even tough his advise is very poor choice but just copy this cycle and ask about it another forum. You will see what type of shit storm you will have after you will say you are 23 and its you planned second cycle.
Thats all i say. I wish you great future. And congrats for your progress in first cycle. Yes you have a long way to go but you can have a great look if you will continue.
Just dont forget that you should be healthy first to enjoy that physique...
says the guy with bitch tits
run Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to reduce bloating, puffyness, and keep ur estrogen under control otherwise u will get gyno and youll look like matt
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