thoughts on my second cycle?

[evanisonfire]

stats : 20 years old, 240lbs, 10-12%BF, 6'5.5" tall, lifting for 2.5 years.

my first cycle i did cyp (500mg a week for 10 weeks) all by itself and my face got owned by puffyness. with this cycle im trying to avoid that at all costs or else im kicked out of my house.. parents must not suspect a thing. also coming off my cycle i think i did something wrong cuz i lost my sex drive and now its finally coming back but i wanna avoid that also. (pct was clomid, 50mg a day for 24 days i think).

so for my second cycle i was thinking either Heptylate or cypionate 500mg + EQ 500mg and running about 12 weeks. i was also gonna have aromison on hand and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid. what do u guys think? is that a solid second cycle and would that combo nearly eliminate water retention??

 

[Shaptown]

you are really young bro, too young in my opinion. i understand you have already cycled, but if I were you I would hold off another 2-3 years then consider hopping back on AAS.

you are already pretty big, so clearly you are doing something right...

 

[evanisonfire]

nothin wrong with cyclin at 20 imo

 

[Arnold Wannabe]

ana Anavar (var) = very little to no water retention. plus it doesnt effect your sex drive at all, BUT i have no first hand knowledge of running Anavar (var) while on test...

 

[evanisonfire]

ana Anavar (var) = very little to no water retention. plus it doesnt effect your sex drive at all, BUT i have no first hand knowledge of running Anavar (var) while on test...

hmm yeah im not to sure about that either. i would rather just stick with what i know. i heard running EQ with a test helps with water retention alot! and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) along with those two should help eliminate it even more no?

 

[mygunz]

right now im running eq and cip. cip is shit if you don't want bloat. next week i start with prop. u should use prop test if u don't mind injecting every 2 days. im on 600 mg of eq a week and 400 prop a week.

 

[evanisonfire]

right now im running eq and cip. cip is shit if you don't want bloat. next week i start with prop. u should use prop test if u don't mind injecting every 2 days. im on 600 mg of eq a week and 400 prop a week.

cip as in cypionate? and okay well what about a test like sus then? i hear sus has a bit of prop in it

 

[mygunz]

need to take prop every 2 days. better off with straight cip or prop

 

[barrysanders]

To give you advice I would need to know what your goals are. People can say use this/that, but without knowing what your goals are its pointless to give advice because each compound does something different. ?????????

 

[Turtleneck1971]

Nothing wrong with cycleing at 20 if you wanna be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 40.. enjoy and good luck.

 

[Larrybird]

Bro, you're huge! Let us all start cyclin first and play catch up!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

too young

 

[evanisonfire]

20 is not too young. i know many people who cycle at my age and younger. and my goal right now is to get a little bit bigger, more shredded, get my sex drive back from going off my last cycle wrong. i just wanna do a mild cycle to tighten up a bit and gain some size. this is only my second cycle and probably my last for a long time. its more or less to fix wrongs i did with my first cycle and also get a few gains from.

 

[Turtleneck1971]

You may know plenty of people that are 20 and cycle but the people on here are 40 and started cycleing at your age and have learned thru error. You might try getting some sense and listening to your elders when we say.. it's gonna fuck you up idiot....

 

[barrysanders]

20 is not too young. i know many people who cycle at my age and younger. and my goal right now is to get a little bit bigger, more shredded, get my sex drive back from going off my last cycle wrong. i just wanna do a mild cycle to tighten up a bit and gain some size. this is only my second cycle and probably my last for a long time. its more or less to fix wrongs i did with my first cycle and also get a few gains from.

Evan-The people here are just trying to warn you from personal experience. Turtle has it right when he says that your to young to cycle (obvious reasons).

It would be better to say that you understand that its going to hinder your development and that you just don't care because your willing to do anything possible to get big. If thats the case everyone hear wouldnt say a thing. However, you've mentioned before that cycling at 20 years of age is ok, which is just stupidity.

Maybe just clerify a little so we can understand.

Again, please list your stats so we can give you the best advice possible. Telling you what do use without such knowledge is not kosher either.

 

[evanisonfire]

so whats the difference between cycling now and cycling in 3 or 4 years?

 

[evanisonfire]

many fitness models and bodybuilders started cycling at a young age and they are just fine. as long as ur smart and and do them safely what is the problem? i would never do anything hard like deca or tren at this age thats why im sticking with the basic tests. also i dont want to start "cycling" per say. i just want to do this one to get back on track and then i honestly dont plan to do one for a few more years. as long as u come off ur cycle right and make sure ur natual test levels come back fine then whats the big issue here?? im not trying to sound like a smart ass or anything this is a legit question

 

[freewillie08]

if you are trying to get shredded, you may want to avoid EQ. Its known to increase appetite. I guess it all comes down to how discipline your diet is. You are pretty young kiddo. stick with the creatine for a few years, and develop naturally.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

many fitness models and bodybuilders started cycling at a young age and they are just fine. as long as ur smart and and do them safely what is the problem? i would never do anything hard like deca or tren at this age thats why im sticking with the basic tests. also i dont want to start "cycling" per say. i just want to do this one to get back on track and then i honestly dont plan to do one for a few more years. as long as u come off ur cycle right and make sure ur natual test levels come back fine then whats the big issue here?? im not trying to sound like a smart ass or anything this is a legit question

evan im sorry friend but you are wrong. cycling at your age could stunt your growth. what if one leg stops growing and the other grows 2 more inches? you will walk around the rest of your life with a limp.

think of it this way evan, your endocrine system is like a car battery. when its brand new it runs like a champ and charges back up. but if you let that battery run all the way dead a few times, it shortens the life of the battery. it also makes the battery hold a charge for a shorter period of time.

yes you may get your test levels right back where they are suppose to be. but for how long? is your nuts going to stop working 10 years earlier now?

what people dont realize is the endocrine system is so complex doctors and scientist do not fully understand it yet. so to think that taking steriods doesnt mess that up for good your wrong. the reason why its better to start later in your life is because not only will you get more benefit out of cycling, but the benefits will outweigh the risks in most cases. if a guy @ 30 starts cycling and 10 years later his nuts crap out, its not that bad because he prolly already had his kids and could prolly benefit from TRT.

so you cycle now, your nuts crap out in 10 years, your 30 you you just settled down with a woman and its time to have a family. what if you cant get her pregnant? you think she will stay with you?

maybe im being dramtic, but why take all that risk for minimal short term gains? i am sure you could have a better diet, at 20 im sure you have a lot to learn about training and breaking plateaus.

when i was 20 my mindset, and the things that were important to me are completly different than they are now. one day you will look back and say why did i do that? if the risk wasnt so great it wouldnt be that big of a deal.

 

[Shaptown]

evan im sorry friend but you are wrong. cycling at your age could stunt your growth. what if one leg stops growing and the other grows 2 more inches? you will walk around the rest of your life with a limp.

think of it this way evan, your endocrine system is like a car battery. when its brand new it runs like a champ and charges back up. but if you let that battery run all the way dead a few times, it shortens the life of the battery. it also makes the battery hold a charge for a shorter period of time.

yes you may get your test levels right back where they are suppose to be. but for how long? is your nuts going to stop working 10 years earlier now?

what people dont realize is the endocrine system is so complex doctors and scientist do not fully understand it yet. so to think that taking steriods doesnt mess that up for good your wrong. the reason why its better to start later in your life is because not only will you get more benefit out of cycling, but the benefits will outweigh the risks in most cases. if a guy @ 30 starts cycling and 10 years later his nuts crap out, its not that bad because he prolly already had his kids and could prolly benefit from TRT.

so you cycle now, your nuts crap out in 10 years, your 30 you you just settled down with a woman and its time to have a family. what if you cant get her pregnant? you think she will stay with you?

maybe im being dramtic, but why take all that risk for minimal short term gains? i am sure you could have a better diet, at 20 im sure you have a lot to learn about training and breaking plateaus.

when i was 20 my mindset, and the things that were important to me are completly different than they are now. one day you will look back and say why did i do that? if the risk wasnt so great it wouldnt be that big of a deal.

FANTASTIC POST!

Evan is clearly not going to listen to any of us because he is a know it all 20 year old. Look at it like this; just one year ago he was still a teenager LOL...

Some people have to learn the hard way and he is one of them.