tidbit from louie about rack pulls

jcp2

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I have been saying this for along time about rack pulls, long before i ever thoguht about getting into powerlifting. Never understood why someone would be doing rackpulls to help the dead at 200 lbs over their max deadlift. I guess great minds think alike, lol, at least he can explain it.



Rack pulls are also effective. Most lifters do rack pulls incorrectly. That is the bar is too high off the floor allowing one to lift a weight that will never be attempted in a meet. This can cause a total breakdown of the central nervous system. An Olympic lifting guideline contends that the optimal weight percent for pulls be restricted to 10% above the best clean or snatch. This was discovered by A. D. Ermakov and N.S. Atanasov (1975) by accumulating the results of 780 highly skilled weight lifters. Lifts at 85% were the most used at 22.9% , 90% lifts were done 16.7% of the time, and lifts of 80% were done 14% of the time. Compare this with weights of 100% which were done only 2.5% of the time.

In 1982, I made a 722 deadlift at 220. my best rack pulls were 705 at 2 inches off the floor, 730 4 inches off the floor, and 760 6 inches off the floor . I later made 855 8 inches off the floor and 805 6 inches off the floor with straps. But not until I recently made a 715 PR with no straps 2 inches off the floor did I make progress again. I realized that I will never make an 855 or even 805 deadlift. I was wearing myself out for nothing.

The law of accentuation states that strength should be trained only in the range or sport movement where the need for high force production is maximal (V. Zatsiorsky). It would seem that to lift weights not remotely possible is a waste of time and energy. Rather, it is beneficial to do several singles ranging from about 80-90% of a maximum deadlift. I recommend the guidelines set forth by A.S. Prilepin (1974). Because the deadlift is very taxing on the central nervous system, I recommend the minimal number of lifts 10 at 80%, reducing to 4 lifts at 90% of a particular pin record.
 
I agree but in chucks video hes doing rack pulls with 1035 from the knee and with straps lol to each their own..

i dont think you should be using anything above the knee unless you have problems with your lockout..
 
blackbeard said:
I agree but in chucks video hes doing rack pulls with 1035 from the knee and with straps lol to each their own..

i dont think you should be using anything above the knee unless you have problems with your lockout..


Yeah, and what do you keep hearing about chuck, lol. Don't do what he does, lol.
 
This is a goos article. It is def geared more for the PLer than the BBer though, obivously. Pulling from above the knees, like Blackbeard stated, isn't really the best for anyone to get results either, but, I feel that pulling from just below my knees has done me alot of good for lower back developement. I don't go for singles though either. Triples at the very least, generally in the 6 range.
 
shortz said:
This is a goos article. It is def geared more for the PLer than the BBer though, obivously. Pulling from above the knees, like Blackbeard stated, isn't really the best for anyone to get results either, but, I feel that pulling from just below my knees has done me alot of good for lower back developement. I don't go for singles though either. Triples at the very least, generally in the 6 range.


Hey shortz, good to see you over here brother.
 
i like racks from knee height if done with a pull style and not a press style. its more of a sldl from knee height if that makes sense. i can press a lot more than i can pull from knee height. racks done as a pull hit the posterier very nicely. my back and hams always get sore when doing heavy racks.

as far as working with weight more than 10% of your max i dont agree with that. your max on different movements dont always correlate to other similar movements.
 
pullinbig said:
i like racks from knee height if done with a pull style and not a press style. its more of a sldl from knee height if that makes sense. i can press a lot more than i can pull from knee height. racks done as a pull hit the posterier very nicely. my back and hams always get sore when doing heavy racks.

as far as working with weight more than 10% of your max i dont agree with that. your max on different movements dont always correlate to other similar movements.


Than it sounds as if you are not doing to increase your deadlift, you are doing it as seperate posterior chain exercise. I think what he is getting at is the amount of people you see doing rack pulls with 200lbs over their dead, yet they can't break the floor well. It seems that is a waste of time and could be used pulling from blocks or something else.
 
i have to say, i really don't understand how rack pulls would increase my deadlift, but maybe thats cause my weak spot is at the floor. if i can get it up to knee height, i'm home free. i'm better off doing platform deadlifts to increase my deadlift.
 
wench said:
i have to say, i really don't understand how rack pulls would increase my deadlift, but maybe thats cause my weak spot is at the floor. if i can get it up to knee height, i'm home free. i'm better off doing platform deadlifts to increase my deadlift.

do you find that doing them off a platform helps you explode off the floor? this is where i am having troubles. if i can get the weight off the floor, i can lock it out.
 
Illuminati said:
do you find that doing them off a platform helps you explode off the floor? this is where i am having troubles. if i can get the weight off the floor, i can lock it out.

yes, it helps. its awkward as hell for me to get down that low- i have long legs for my height so just standing on 25lb plates makes it hard for me to get down to the bar but like you, if i can get it off the floor (and past my chins), i can lock it out. my bench is like that too.
 
jcp2 said:
Than it sounds as if you are not doing to increase your deadlift, you are doing it as seperate posterior chain exercise. I think what he is getting at is the amount of people you see doing rack pulls with 200lbs over their dead, yet they can't break the floor well. It seems that is a waste of time and could be used pulling from blocks or something else.

i do it for a posterior movement. hams, ass and back. however this will help to increase your dead. same muscle groups envolved. any movement that works corresponding muscle groups will improve a lift. hell loui of all people preaches this. he does more assitance work than anyone i know. its like pull thrus, gms, hypers, reverse hypers, ghr. its just another posterior movement.

some of the guys at the gym do them with a pressing motion. the SM competitors.

i also do deads off a 3 inch block for bottom end power on deads. same with pause squats from rock bottom. and i mean rock Fin bottom. =0) and i believe leg presses with a pause at the bottom helps the start portion of the dead as well.
 
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