Totally Whacked Cholesterol

jon79915

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Okay, got my labs done in anticipation of hooking up with Maximus. Report is in hand and testosterone was a whopping 347 ng/DL this time around and estrogen at 83 pg/mL (a nice grandmotherly ratio from what I understand...). These numbers are not surprising given my symptoms over the last 12 years or so...

Lipid panel, on the other hand, is a bit whacked... HDL is low at 35 mg/dL (which is actually normal for me), but total cholesterol is at 323 mg/dL and LDL not even measured due to TRIGLICERIDES at 1081 mg/dL (!!) - which is a dangerous level. I've had my triglicerides get out of whack like that before about 10 years ago, but was able to get them under control by basically running 3 miles a day, cutting out sugar, and getting bodyfat down (at least I thought that was what cured me - though am only at about 13% now).

My big question at the moment is should I go ahead with submitting my results and getting eval'd for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), or should I get the above lipid situation under control first? Also am wondering, can testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) help improve the lipid panel or is that a separate issue altogether?
 
Before drawing blood, when was the last time you ate? If you ate something with some fat, it could skew your results.
 
About 10 to 11 hours as instructed - nothing after 9 pm the night before.

Will be redrawn on Monday for triglicerides due to high score. Am hoping the student phlebotomist at the lab just managed to dislodge a nice chunk of artheriosclerotic fat into the tube when she was digging around in the vein (bitch left a 2" bruise!) and that's what jacked the test.... but this is not the first time those kind of levels have shown up, so probably wishful thinking...
 
Have been a bit careless for the better part of the last year - probably more sat fat and carbs than the law allows and not enough fruits and vegetables... however, bodyfat is around 13 - 14% - which is high by my own standards, but didn't think I was treading into life threatening territory!!!
 
I didn't realize your estrogen was 83. How can you even get an erection with that high of an estrogen level? You are an excellent candidate for a heart attack. The estrogen is causing all problems in addition to low T. Call Chip.
 
I didn't realize your estrogen was 83. How can you even get an erection with that high of an estrogen level? You are an excellent candidate for a heart attack. The estrogen is causing all problems in addition to low T. Call Chip.

are you saying high estrogen causes heart attacks?
 
I thought this was interesting, anyone know or have the original studies!?

A famous cardiac study was published about 10 years ago. It soon became on ongoing study known as the Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial (MRFIT). The present study examined changes in Testosterone over 13 years in 66 men aged 41 to 61 years. The researchers determined if changes in total Testosterone are related to cardiovascular disease risk factors.

The average Testosterone levels at the beginning of the study were 751 ng/dl and decreased by 41 ng/dl. Men who smoked or exhibited Type A behavior were found to have even greater decreases in T levels. The change in Testosterone was also associated with an increase in triglyceride levels and a decrease in the good cholesterol (HDL).

The authors concluded that decreases in Testosterone levels as observed in men over time are associated with unfavorable heart disease risk. (2) Sounds to me like a good reason to get T support/replacement therapy in the middle age years!

In a similar study, researchers in Poland examined if Testosterone replacement therapy in aging men positively effected heart disease risk factors. Twenty-two men with low T levels received 200 mg of Testosterone enanthate every other week for one year. Throughout treatment, Testosterone, estradiol, total cholesterol, HDL and LDL were measured.

The researchers determined that T replacement returned both Testosterone and estradiol levels back to normal and acceptable levels. They also found that T replacement lowered cholesterol and LDL (the bad cholesterol) without altering HDL (the good cholesterol). Furthermore, there was no change in prostate function or size.

The take home message from this study is that T replacement doesn't appear to raise heart disease risk and it may actually lower your risk. (3) It appears that more physicians should be prescribing low dose Testosterone to middle age and aging men for both libido, muscle tone and for cardiac reasons.


What about younger men?

It's been long established that men have a higher risk of heart disease. One of the risk factors implicated is Testosterone. Reportedly, the recreational use of Testosterone can alter lipoprotein levels and, in fact, case reports exist describing bodybuilders who've abused steroids and have experienced heart disease or even sudden death. But the question remains, is the causal association one of truth or just an association?

To answer this, researchers at the University of North Texas recruited twelve competitive bodybuilders for a comprehensive evaluation of the cardiovascular effects of steroids. Six heavyweight steroid-using bodybuilders were compared with six heavyweight drug-free bodybuilders.

As expected, the heavy steroid users had lower total cholesterol and HDL levels as compared to the drug-free athletes. What was unexpected was that the steroid users also had significantly lower LDL (the bad cholesterol) and triglyceride levels as compared to the non-steroid users. In addition, the juicers also had lower apolipoprotein B levels (a marker for heart disease risk). Thus, the authors concluded that androgens do not appear to raise the risk of cardiovascular disease. (4) The take home message from this study is that the negative cardiac side effects of steroids are most likely overstated.

In a little more progressive study, researchers at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Boogie Down Bronx (the BDB to those in the know) examined Testosterone as a possible therapy for cardiovascular disease. (5) The researchers note that T can be given in oral, injectable, pellet and transdermal delivery forms. It's noted that injections of Testosterone (100 to 200 mg every two weeks) in men with low levels of T will decrease total cholesterol and LDL while raising the HDL.

In fact, Testosterone therapy has been found to have antianginal effects (reduces chest pain). Low levels of Testosterone are also correlated with high blood pressure, specifically high systolic pressure. The researchers determined that returning T levels back to normal and even high-normal levels have positive cardiovascular effects and should be considered as an adjunctive treatment for maintaining muscle mass when someone has congestive heart failure.


Putting it all together

Strong research demonstrates that the risks of negative cardiovascular effects of steroids are overstated. In fact, a recent paper published in the Canadian Journal of Applied Physiology questioned the whole risk of using steroids. (6) Joey Antonio, Ph.D. and Chris Street MS, CSCS published strong data showing that the risks of steroid use are largely exaggerated, much like scare tactics used by your parents while you were a kid. Of course, it goes unsaid that abuse of anything will lead to unwanted consequences.

We know that as we age, circulating Testosterone levels naturally decrease. For most people the Testosterone decrease goes from high-normal to mid to low normal. Data shows that there's an inverse relationship between T levels and blood pressure as well as abdominal obesity (that paunch we see on so many middle age males).

Testosterone replacement lowers abdominal obesity and restores Testosterone back to normal levels. Restored Testosterone is correlated with better mood, better muscle tone, stronger sex drive, lower cardiovascular disease risks, stronger bones and better memory. It's important to note that while conservative use gives a pronounced positive health benefit, higher doses may not necessarily lead to further health benefits.


What to do

If you see your body composition changing (your gut starts looking like your Uncle Lester's), your strength or muscle tone diminishing despite your hard training and good diet, and your sex drive not matching up to TC's columns, have your Testosterone levels checked. The acceptable normal range for Testosterone to physicians is 300 mg/dl to 1100 mg/dl. Yes, that's a pretty wide range.

In the clinic, we see people with the complaints consistent with "andropause" (a term for male menopause) and/or increased cardiovascular risk having Testosterone levels between 300 mg/dl and 550 mg/dl. Bringing it up to the mid to high-normal level is what gives the health and "youthful" benefits. Traditionally 200 mg/dl of supplemental Testosterone given every one to two weeks improves body composition, lowers total cholesterol and LDL, while raising HDL.

It appears that supplemental T is a healthier and safer way to go than many of the drugs used to treat poor lipid profiles. The data presented in this article applies for males over 35, not those who are 18. If you think that you can benefit from Testosterone therapy look for physicians who market themselves as "anti-aging" or "longevity physicians" as well as the more progressive endocrinologists or cardiologists.


Of course diet and lifestyle (as always) is KEY! No smoking, drinking, eating out junk food/high fat food is ever really good for you, in any amount (exeption being 1/2 glass of RED wine a night).
 
High estrogen will destroy your body very quickly and yes it makes you a good candidate for a heart attack among other health problems. It is the equivalent of constant metabolic stress and poisoning.
 
Okay, quick question... Is estradiol the important number or is it total estrogen? My total E is 83. Estradiol is 31....
 
Soooo, guess I'll proceed with the evaluation and see if Chip can help me get an erection (lol).

I'LL GET ALL YOU FUCKERS HARD! YOU SEE ALL THE "BLACK AND YELLOW" (Avatars that is) FLOATING AROUND HERE TAKING THE Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WORLD BY STORM?!?! YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS A JOKE?!?! SOME SNAKE OIL?!? THE ONLY SNAKE THAT GETS OILED IS THE ONE THAT FINALLY STANDS UP AND STARES AT YOU WITH IT'S ONE "MEAN EYE" WAITING TO START SPITTING STREAMS OF VENOMOUS LOVE JUICE ALL OVER YOUR PARTNERS FACE! MAKE THE CALL.

ALL HAIL MAXIMUS!!
 
I'LL GET ALL YOU FUCKERS HARD! YOU SEE ALL THE "BLACK AND YELLOW" (Avatars that is) FLOATING AROUND HERE TAKING THE Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WORLD BY STORM?!?! YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS A JOKE?!?! SOME SNAKE OIL?!? THE ONLY SNAKE THAT GETS OILED IS THE ONE THAT FINALLY STANDS UP AND STARES AT YOU WITH IT'S ONE "MEAN EYE" WAITING TO START SPITTING STREAMS OF VENOMOUS LOVE JUICE ALL OVER YOUR PARTNERS FACE! MAKE THE CALL.

ALL HAIL MAXIMUS!!

Damn! That post gave me an erection!
 
Yeah listen to Chip. There is no such hormone as estrogen as there is no such hormone as androgen. These are just names of categories, estradiol being the main estrogen that you are referring to.
 
Yeah listen to Chip. There is no such hormone as estrogen as there is no such hormone as androgen. These are just names of categories, estradiol being the main estrogen that you are referring to.

That "Chip" guy is a douchebag.... Just from what I hear :scratchhe:scratchhe

All the guy does is get cocks hard and fix everyones problems? He's the only heterosexual dude I've ever cum :laugh4: across brings dead cocks back to life and makes them blow loads like a pop-topped fire hydrant! He's loved equally by gays and straights alike and even MORE by all their partners, yet HATES BITCHES cause they are all LYING WHORES!! :liar: :bsflag: :devil2:
Ok FUCKERS.... now that I've fixed all ur fucked up lives, who's gonna lend a hand to the big fella?!?!?!

See.... Just cause I'm sexy as all GET OUT and CREATE PORN STARS, doesnt mean I don't have my own :bsflag:
to deal with!!! :fawk2: :wallbash::wallbash:
 
Yeah listen to Chip.

Believe me, there is nothing I am looking forward to more than working with Chip and Maximus. Was worried (and still am) that the lipid results would throw a monkey wrench in the plans.

Chip, I should have the hardcopy of the labs in hand and faxed to you - F'd up lipid panels and all - by tomorrow night (hurray!).

There is no such hormone as estrogen as there is no such hormone as androgen. These are just names of categories, estradiol being the main estrogen that you are referring to.

Okay, that makes sense... So I'm guessing the 31 for estradiol is not nearly as alarming a number as the 83 (total E) I threw out there at the top? Just looking for a SMALL ray of sunshine here... been having imaginary heart attacks, pancreatitis, and fatty liver syndrome ever since the doc called with those numbers! :ugh:
 
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