Tren Ace and Calories what is too much or too little?

[superp]

So I am at 50mg/day Tren Ace, with 140/wk Test. My caloric maintenance is at 3000 and I am currently eating 2700. Plan is to drop a few % bodyfat while retaining muscle. I am in my 4th weeks. Waist is starting to change and tighten up. Traps and shoulders are pumped. Getting lower back pumps in the gym, lol.

Does this seem like the logical caloric approach?

Additionally, What would you all say is "too low" and start losing muscle on Tren. Conversely, How much over before you add fat on Tren?

yeah yeah, lots of questions, just trying to learn.

39yo
224lbs, up 3
BF14-15%
training for 20 years.
Adex .5 EOD
Caber on hand

 

[EatClenTrenHarder]

I don't know, are you on track?? Have you weighed yourself? Checked your bf%? Are you retaining muscle? lol you gotta tell us a bit more information. How far along are you in the cycle? Stats? Are you taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Prami or Caber? What does the PCT look like? And when you say "how much over before you add fat on tren" that depends on what you are eating, how much you are eating and your training. Other than all that, to answer your question, I think 3000 is a good number to shoot for with the goals you've made.

 

[DipKing]

Wasn't aware you could lose muscle on tren. You seem somewhat oblivious to what you're running. Can we get some stats to help you out?

 

[EatClenTrenHarder]

Wasn't aware you could lose muscle on tren. You seem somewhat oblivious to what you're running. Can we get some stats to help you out?

I think he's under the impression that you can lose muscle on Tren via extreme calorie deficit. Which is understandable.

 

[superp]

Updated the OP...

Wasn't aware you could lose muscle on tren. You seem somewhat oblivious to what you're running. Can we get some stats to help you out?

This is what I am talking about. Folks like to say that you can't lose muscle on Tren.

 

[EatClenTrenHarder]

Whether you're on track or not is completely your judgment. From what you've told us, it sounds like the cycle is going well. You've stated your goals as dropping bf% and retaining muscle. So has your bf% dropped and are you retaining muscle? If both those things have happened, and your body is tightening up with some great pumps in the gym, I'd venture to say you are on track

 

[superp]

Lets talk about tren and calories...I am interested in this.

So you can't lose muscle on tren? if so, what would be too low on calories? 600, 1000cals below maint?

Getting fat on Tren. Again, this stuff is supposed to change the rules, but at an extreme cal overage should make you gain fat. The average guy may gain fat at 500 over maintenance, but with tren, 1500 over?

 

[EatClenTrenHarder]

Lets talk about tren and calories...I am interested in this.

So you can't lose muscle on tren? if so, what would be too low on calories? 600, 1000cals below maint?

Getting fat on Tren. Again, this stuff is supposed to change the rules, but at an extreme cal overage should make you gain fat. The average guy may gain fat at 500 over maintenance, but with tren, 1500 over?

I'm not into making ultimatums like saying you can't lose muscle on Tren. But I'd like someone to shoot up 50 mg of Tren Ace every other day, go run 10 miles per day and eat 1000 calories per day, and see if they lose muscle. But everyone is different. Do you see where I'm getting at here? You can't pinpoint a compound for direct fat gain or muscle loss. This is why people say whether you're bulking or cutting depends on your diet. I agree with that because my 2nd cycle, I cut on Sustanon. It's all I took and I cut up because I was watching my calories and doing plenty of cardio. So for you to say "getting fat on Tren" just doesn't make sense. It's getting fat on what you eat. Tren does have direct fat burning qualities, but if you're eating potato chips, mcdonalds and a case of Bud Light per day, it won't matter that much.

 

[DipKing]

So you can't lose muscle on tren? if so, what would be too low on calories? 600, 1000cals below maint?

It was more sarcasm than anything when I said that. I apologize.

 

[superp]

Ok, we are all about the semantics.

Getting fat while on tren. Has anyone heard about it? I always read guys saying "I was getting shredded and eating pizza, etc...lol" If so, they had to be eating close to maintenance.

But, given a clean diet, I wonder what it would take to hit extremes.

Anyone else actually have tren experience to add?

 

[DreDay187]

If you're caloric maintenance is really 3000 and you're really taking in 2700 calories than losing fat while retaining muscle could happen without the AAS. You're only eating at a 10% deficit which is pretty mild. There aren't many studies done on tren and humans so its hard to accurately judge tren's true power is but it seems like a logical approach provided your macros are what they should be at that caloric level.

 

[vught]

I'm in my 3rd week of 150 ace 75 prop eod to see what difference a lower test effect will have. The goal is to retain the muscle while losing fat on a clean diet & 30 min of cardio ( spin bike) daily. Resistance training 5 days weekly. Stats: 6-2 260 18% Keep ya posted on progress.

 

[theblitzkrieg]

IMO it's not as simple as cals in vs cals out with tren. I kept my fat intake very low and ate a ton of carbs and protein. I could go up to 6k calories and not gain fat. I would overheat and sweat it all out. I was taking double your dose though. One thing I regret about tren is NOT EATING ENOUGH. There was some recomp going on in the beginning even though I was eating insane amounts of food. I was bulking and kept getting leaner.

 

[MustangDX]

OP, you said that you have your caber "on hand"...You need to be taking it! Have you noticed a drop in your libido? Tren raises your prolactin levels which leads to "Tren Dick". Take the caber @0.5mgs/2xWeek(Mon & Thurs).

 

[DreDay187]

OP, you said that you have your caber "on hand"...You need to be taking it! Have you noticed a drop in your libido? Tren raises your prolactin levels which leads to "Tren Dick". Take the caber @0.5mgs/2xWeek(Mon & Thurs).

That does not always happen and there is in fact evidence that trenbolone does NOT raise prolactin at all.

 

[DipKing]

I've seen some guys lactate on that stuff. 50mg ed isn't a huge dose, but I wouldn't want to take my chances.

 

[MustangDX]

That does not always happen and there is in fact evidence that trenbolone does NOT raise prolactin at all.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...agement-gynecomastia-prevention-reversal.html

 

[DreDay187]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...agement-gynecomastia-prevention-reversal.html

From the link you provided me with:

19-Nortestosterone steroid such as nandrolone and Trenbolone can cause prolactin levels to become elevated MAINLY with the presence of excess estrogen. They are NOT a direct cause of high prolactin.

Go to post 52, 53, and 54 of this thread as well:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/654641-cialis-amazing-drug-all-its-benefits-off-cycle-use-3.html

And a direct link to the study from that thread

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and - PubMed Mobile

 

[MustangDX]

From the link you provided me with:



Go to post 52, 53, and 54 of this thread as well:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/654641-cialis-amazing-drug-all-its-benefits-off-cycle-use-3.html

And a direct link to the study from that thread

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and - PubMed Mobile

I understand where your coming from. 19-Nor's don't directly cause the rise in prolactin but that's only if your spot on with managing your estrogen levels. Most people are not going to be spot on with their estrogen levels so all I'm saying is why not take the proactive/preventative route and take caber? Why get the limp dick before doing something about it?

 

[MustangDX]

19-Nortestosterone steroid such as nandrolone and Trenbolone can cause prolactin levels to become elevated MAINLY with the presence of excess estrogen. They are NOT a direct cause of high prolactin. While using prolactin inhibiting drugs will resolve issues, your first line of defense is controlling estrogen, as elevated estrogen can boost the effect of prolactin increase. It's not uncommon to prevent prolactin increase with the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). But the doses of 19-Nor steroids today, may prove that somewhat ineffective. Leading to the necessity of having a secondary (and direct) compound to combat the effects.

You left that part out...