Tren ...confused by this board

[BEEFKAKE31]

Hey guys I just signed up to this forum but have been reading it for a long time before that. Anyway, I was looking at 2 threads today, one of them "your favorite steroid" and the other "your most common side effects"

Test and Tren were by far the favorite steroids of almost everyone on this board but then in the other thread of most common side effects almost everyone listed tren as the worst when it comes to mood swings, depression, anxiety, etc. So I'm just wondering how Tren is a favorite to a lot of you guys even though it's known for all those bad side effects everyone was complaining about in the other thread. I just want to get this out of the way because I will be doing my first cycle soon and I am 23. But I've had anxiety and depression type problems for a few years now so that's why I posted this to find out more info behind this (i.e. Tren).

 

[StoneColdNTO]

A little off topic, but you shouldn't really be concerned right now, because for a first cycle you want to be doing a testosterone ONLY cycle.

 

[BEEFKAKE31]

Really Stone? Just Test?? I will be using Testosterone Enthanate at 500 mg's but I was also going to stack at least one more thing, you don't think I should do this? I have been working out for a long time until recently. and I am fairly big. I am 6'0 and weigh 200 right now , but I get to 220 farily easily when I start working out after about a month. I would appreciate it if this was also a thread of it's own for people to give me more feedback on this as well.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

read this...... http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47323

 

[BEEFKAKE31]

Thanks Stone, that helped a lot. I understand that the whole point of it is to see how everything works since it's my first cycle. My original plan was to just also add D-bol at 30 mg for the first 4 weeks just to jump start my cycle before the test kicked in by week 4.

 

[jcp2]

Thanks Stone, that helped a lot. I understand that the whole point of it is to see how everything works since it's my first cycle. My original plan was to just also add D-bol at 30 mg for the first 4 weeks just to jump start my cycle before the test kicked in by week 4.

I don't think jumpstarts are necessary, even after many cycles. I guarantee that if you respond halfway decent to gear, you will be feeling the affects after two weeks. Last time i ran test deca at 600 and 400 i had gained 10lbs the first four weeks, no jumpstart.

 

[BEEFKAKE31]

I don't think jumpstarts are necessary, even after many cycles. I guarantee that if you respond halfway decent to gear, you will be feeling the affects after two weeks. Last time i ran test deca at 600 and 400 i had gained 10lbs the first four weeks, no jumpstart.

If this is the case then I will probably only go with the Enthanate at 500 mg along with nolvadex at 10 mg for the 10 or 11 weeks I take it followed by the 3 week clomid phase, while also still using the Nolvadex during those 3 weeks as well. Does this sound good?

I mean I already weigh 200 and my main goal was since I am starting to workout again after a few months lay off was to go back to 220 lean body mass. I've gotten to 220 many times before but always with about 15% bf. I want to be at 220-230 all lean mass by May 15 , which is exactly 3 months (12 weeks) from now. Then for the next 2 or 3 months after that I plan on doing a cutting cycle to get shredded to pieces by around July 15. And I would be very interested as to what you guys think I should run for the cutting phase of it along with the obvious diet and cardio.

If there is anything wrong with this plan please feel free to criticize.

 

[jcp2]

just out of curiousity, why wouldn't you get to 220, than cycle. Getting back to where you were is the easy part?

 

[BEEFKAKE31]

just out of curiousity, why wouldn't you get to 220, than cycle. Getting back to where you were is the easy part?

I just felt that if I got back to my old 220 it would be mostly mass and no muscle. And if I cycle then I will probably shoot up to 240 which I think is a little to excessive for me. I don't want to look like a monster. But maybe if I do get to 240 and then do my cutting cycle around May, I might look nicer at a cut 220 than a cut 200, hmm I don't know.

 

[BEEFKAKE31]

Also HCG wouldn't be necessary right with the novice cycles I am doing. Clomid and Nolva alone will be fine correct?

http://steroid.com/novicecycle1.php ...this is where I got the idea for my first cycle. It also says to run B-6 with the Nolva all the way throughout. Would it be better to run the Arimidex throughout and then the Nolva and Clomid for PCT?

 

[needsize]

personally I like the test and dbol idea, but thats just me. As far as anti-'es, make sure you have them on hand, but see if you need them before you start taking them. Arimidex will get rid of bloat, which will cut down on your strength, which will mean less size. And nolva only works on the receptors in the nipples, so just keep checking them to see if you need to start nolva
As for your question on tren, it has some sides yes, but its popular because its the most powerful steroid out there

 

[Slayer]

But maybe if I do get to 240 and then do my cutting cycle around May, I might look nicer at a cut 220 than a cut 200, hmm I don't know.

You are going to have to wait longer than May to follow up this cycle with a cutting cycle. On time + post cycle therapy (pct) = time off between cycles.