Tren Cough thoughts and Q's

[halfwit]

U were on trt from the start though right half? So u didn't do this to urself? If u started over and didn't have trt, would u touch gear at all after knowing all u know now?

That's a very sticky question, with a very delicate answer as I am quite biased by having my testosterone taken away from me without my choice.


I suffered several injuries to my knees which required a little over two and a half years of basically being bedridden while high on opiates courtesy of my all-too-generous doctor. Unbeknownst to me, opiates have the ability to destroy the leydig cells in the testes, making it so they can no longer produce testosterone. I went this way for a decade, swelling up to a big fat ass and losing easily 60lbs of muscle while doctors threw everything at me BUT a hormone panel. It wasn't until I started my own research that I learned of the link, demanded a test from my current doctor - and the rest is history.

So, would I have intentionally shut myself down after (assuming I never was injured, or I didn't have the awesome experience of going hypogonadal at 24) holding out for all those years as that's what the "cheaters" do? AND knowing what I know NOW?

Damn.

Ya know, that's a very difficult question to answer as AAS has improved my life; but mostly because it undid a great deal of damage that was done from previous years. I do not enjoy the fact that I have to constantly maintain my hematocrit, take an aromatase inhibitor, stick myself twice a week (required vs enjoyed), and worry about insurance playing games later on as they are often to do when folks are on certain "medications" that *may* have side effects later in life.

HOWEVER, I can't imagine life as it is without going to they gym every single day with the desire to make something beautiful of my body. I can't imagine not having testosterone levels rivaling that of horny 17 year old kids. I most certainly can't imagine life without having the ability to destroy a woman in bed (thank you Cialis too!); giving you that look like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO TO ME?!?". I can't imagine not KNOWING that my hard ass work in dialing in my diet and being on a stack combined with 150% intensity in the gym will be met with success.

All that for the negatives in the paragraph above?

Frankly, that's two different people man. The old me (before my injury) would have told you no way in hell. I knew AAS worked (the medical community said it did nothing in the early 90's and late 80's), I knew that there were risks (some were blown WAY out of proportion), and I knew that I didn't need it to live my life. The new me however, has a much different vision of what life is about -- fueled by a decade of anguish and suffering that I don't wish on anyone. I only want to conquer now, find that which I don't have, and own it. I am far more aggressive of a man than I was 15 years ago, and I am positive that it is partly due to my use of AAS. That me, would say that yes - I most definitely would explore things much the way I did and find myself where I am now.

The problem with this conversation is that we can never really go back and truly see how things would change if we could take something back or make a change. I can only say that this is a very difficult decision that younger guys need to really think about BEFORE they start putting that needle in their bodies, as TRT is a very real, and very likely outcome.


Sorry for the wall-of-text guys, that was a deep ass post from me.

My 20c.

 

[omgmike1]

That's a very sticky question, with a very delicate answer as I am quite biased by having my testosterone taken away from me without my choice.


I suffered several injuries to my knees which required a little over two and a half years of basically being bedridden while high on opiates courtesy of my all-too-generous doctor. Unbeknownst to me, opiates have the ability to destroy the leydig cells in the testes, making it so they can no longer produce testosterone. I went this way for a decade, swelling up to a big fat ass and losing easily 60lbs of muscle while doctors threw everything at me BUT a hormone panel. It wasn't until I started my own research that I learned of the link, demanded a test from my current doctor - and the rest is history.

So, would I have intentionally shut myself down after (assuming I never was injured, or I didn't have the awesome experience of going hypogonadal at 24) holding out for all those years as that's what the "cheaters" do? AND knowing what I know NOW?

Damn.

Ya know, that's a very difficult question to answer as AAS has improved my life; but mostly because it undid a great deal of damage that was done from previous years. I do not enjoy the fact that I have to constantly maintain my hematocrit, take an aromatase inhibitor, stick myself twice a week (required vs enjoyed), and worry about insurance playing games later on as they are often to do when folks are on certain "medications" that *may* have side effects later in life.

HOWEVER, I can't imagine life as it is without going to they gym every single day with the desire to make something beautiful of my body. I can't imagine not having testosterone levels rivaling that of horny 17 year old kids. I most certainly can't imagine life without having the ability to destroy a woman in bed (thank you Cialis too!); giving you that look like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO TO ME?!?". I can't imagine not KNOWING that my hard ass work in dialing in my diet and being on a stack combined with 150% intensity in the gym will be met with success.

All that for the negatives in the paragraph above?

Frankly, that's two different people man. The old me (before my injury) would have told you no way in hell. I knew AAS worked (the medical community said it did nothing in the early 90's and late 80's), I knew that there were risks (some were blown WAY out of proportion), and I knew that I didn't need it to live my life. The new me however, has a much different vision of what life is about -- fueled by a decade of anguish and suffering that I don't wish on anyone. I only want to conquer now, find that which I don't have, and own it. I am far more aggressive of a man than I was 14 years ago, and I am positive that it is partly due to my use of AAS. That me, would say that yes - I most definitely would explore things much the way I did and find myself where I am now.

The problem with this conversation is that we can never really go back and truly see how things would change if we could take something back or make a change. I can only say that this is a very difficult decision that younger guys need to really think about BEFORE they start putting that needle in their bodies, as TRT is a very real, and very likely outcome.


Sorry for the wall-of-text guys, that was a deep ass post from me.

My 20c.

Didn't know u had trt from that. That would make me furious to know that the docs who are suppose to be helping are too stupid to know side effects of stuff they are treating u with. I had similar problem with accutane. Dumbest derm ever, gave me the stuff ranging from up to 20mg to 80mg and told me to just take it and talked to me for 1 min every appt and then just left. This clown didn't even let me run it long enough to make the effect more perm and told me nothing. on top of that he denyed me it to start cause my bloods were nerfed by diet, so I had to argue with him. THats How I ended up on this forum when it came back strong as hell this time and he would not let me run it again CORRECTLY when I gave me crap about it and then I came on here and I learned about UGL and everything there is to know about the stuff from old posts and then began to post for Q's. Doc's are defo something else I'ma tell u that.

I think trt is going to be annoying during the really late years of life IMO, but u are right, to feel and look ur best every day is something hard to deny, especially when this world is so superficial and biased on these topics. I never seen so many guys join the gym in my area since the last 2 years, not that they look impressive, just soo many of them cause of this mentally now a days. Have to take tickets to get bench press on mondays 5pm.

 

[halfwit]

Didn't know u had trt from that. That would make me furious to know that the docs who are suppose to be helping are too stupid to know side effects of stuff they are treating u with. I had similar problem with accutane. Dumbest derm ever, gave me the stuff ranging from up to 20mg to 80mg and told me to just take it and talked to me for 1 min every appt and then just left. This clown didn't even let me run it long enough to make the effect more perm and told me nothing. on top of that he denyed me it to start cause my bloods were nerfed by diet, so I had to argue with him. THats How I ended up on this forum when it came back strong as hell this time and he would not let me run it again CORRECTLY when I gave me crap about it and then I came on here and I learned about UGL and everything there is to know about the stuff from old posts and then began to post for Q's. Doc's are defo something else I'ma tell u that.

I think trt is going to be annoying during the really late years of life IMO, but u are right, to feel and look ur best every day is something hard to deny, especially when this world is so superficial and biased on these topics. I never seen so many guys join the gym in my area since the last 2 years, not that they look impressive, just soo many of them cause of this mentally now a days. Have to take tickets to get bench press on mondays 5pm.

To be fair to docs in that time period, they didn't know either about opiates. Just that people REALLY liked taking them.

The question for you becomes: Do you need AAS to obtain the body you want?

A huge problem with many folks today is that they do see AAS as a shortcut; one that isn't really a shortcut (still have to eat right and bust your ass), and it comes at a price. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and tell you that it won't make a difference, you obviously know better, but I do want to stress that priorities do change in life - and we never know where we'll end up.

 

[omgmike1]

To be fair to docs in that time period, they didn't know either about opiates. Just that people REALLY liked taking them.

The question for you becomes: Do you need AAS to obtain the body you want?

A huge problem with many folks today is that they do see AAS as a shortcut; one that isn't really a shortcut (still have to eat right and bust your ass), and it comes at a price. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and tell you that it won't make a difference, you obviously know better, but I do want to stress that priorities do change in life - and we never know where we'll end up.

In ur honest opinion, how far do u think u can get physique wise just staying natural? Some say their is a limit to muscle on a frame for certain test levels, other say it's just going to take way to much time (15+ years) to get that far, while it takes maybe 3-4 on gear.

PS: 30 mins from first tren E shot! see how it goes

 

[Onk]

In ur honest opinion, how far do u think u can get physique wise just staying natural? Some say their is a limit to muscle on a frame for certain test levels, other say it's just going to take way to much time (15+ years) to get that far, while it takes maybe 3-4 on gear.

PS: 30 mins from first tren E shot! see how it goes

if this helps, here is me competing naturally at age 24.
6'2 and 74kgs stage weight, my regular weight was 83-85kgs
I had no coach or diet help

compared to me being 5 weeks out from another contest 2 years later, at 90kgs.

By no means do I think I looked bad, just no where near as big and full.

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[halfwit]

In ur honest opinion, how far do u think u can get physique wise just staying natural? Some say their is a limit to muscle on a frame for certain test levels, other say it's just going to take way to much time (15+ years) to get that far, while it takes maybe 3-4 on gear.

PS: 30 mins from first tren E shot! see how it goes

I think Onk gave a far better reply than I could have.

Freakishly big? No.

Aesthetically pleasing and respectable? Absolutely.