Tren e/test e cycle assistance!

[Hugepecks91]

My next cycle I'm planning on starting in maybe this up coming February, any ideas what a solid dose would be? I've been reading alot and seen that tren higher than test is when magic happens. So I was thinking 500tren/400test with HCG

 

[Mike24]

My last cycle was a low test high tren cycle. I really liked the results. i was using 500mg test and 600mg tren a week. I got really good results. I dropped body fat and i gained lean muscle mass. Only real negative thing i can say is that the higher the tren dose, the more effects you have. I had terrible night sweats, sometimes i even had some insomnia. The insomnia was only a couple times but the night sweats was for the whole duration of the cycle. But the results out weighed the negative effects.

 

[Mike24]

I forgot to add that if this is your first tren cycle, i dont recommend it being a high dose. Also if it is your first tren cycle i would use tren ace. This way if you dont like the effects it will be in and out of your body in a few days as opposed to a couple weeks. But if its not your first time then good luck and be safe!

 

[Hugepecks91]

I forgot to add that if this is your first tren cycle, i dont recommend it being a high dose. Also if it is your first tren cycle i would use tren ace. This way if you dont like the effects it will be in and out of your body in a few days as opposed to a couple weeks. But if its not your first time then good luck and be safe!

Solid advice man thanks. Yah this is my first tren cycle. But I'm choosing tren e cause I'm running the same ester with test. I read that it's better to do that so u don't have issues with pinning. But I guess I could just pin for the first two weeks test and the. Use tren a to see what's up. What doses do u think I should run? 400tren/400test? My test comes in ampules so its only 200mg doses and I'm not find of saving preloaded syringes.

 

[Mike24]

If your test comes in amps well then i would use 400mg. Although 400mg is pretty low. Your goal for this cycle really isnt about the test its about the tren. I cant really tell you what to do. But in my personal opinion i would start off your cycle with tren ace. Just to make sure, tren is really powerful and it has different effects on different people. I would start off with tren ace at 1cc eod. See how you react to that. If all goes well i would add in the tren e with the tren a. By the time you finish your tren a bottle, the tren e will have kicked in. Then you could do something like 400mg test and 400mg tren. I think 400mg of tren is more than enough for your first cycle.

 

[Hugepecks91]

If your test comes in amps well then i would use 400mg. Although 400mg is pretty low. Your goal for this cycle really isnt about the test its about the tren. I cant really tell you what to do. But in my personal opinion i would start off your cycle with tren ace. Just to make sure, tren is really powerful and it has different effects on different people. I would start off with tren ace at 1cc eod. See how you react to that. If all goes well i would add in the tren e with the tren a. By the time you finish your tren a bottle, the tren e will have kicked in. Then you could do something like 400mg test and 400mg tren. I think 400mg of tren is more than enough for your first cycle.

Alright ill go with that then. About the tren dose tho? You said 1cc eod steady? So if I started on a Sunday it would almost 500mg a week yah?

 

[Mike24]

My first tren cycle was test prop and tren ace, i was using 1.5cc test eod and 1cc tren eod. Which came to 600mg test prop and 400mg of tren ace. I can tell you at 400mg of tren ace i gained a lot of strenght. It really was an amazing feeling. Maybe it was a little bit to much for my first cycle. But whats done is done. My second tren cycle i went up to 600mg of tren a week. The extra 200mg really made a big difference. But like i said before, the side effects also increased.

 

[Mike24]

Alright ill go with that then. About the tren dose tho? You said 1cc eod steady? So if I started on a Sunday it would almost 500mg a week yah?

Well if your shooting 1cc eod it would be 1cc monday, 1cc wednesday, 1cc friday, and 1cc sunday. so if your starting with tren ace. Tren ace comes in 100mg/ml. So it would come to 400mg a week. You could also just do 1cc monday, wednesday, friday. Which would come to 300mg a week. That would be good as well.

 

[mr_ectomorph]

If you want to run tren/test, I suggest you do ED pinning to keep blood levels in control and sides minimal. My personal preference when running tren, is keeping test as low as possible, at TRT if possible. I tried high test and low test and I definitely preferred low. I suggest you start shooting tren ace @ 50mg ED, and as long as you feel sane and fine, keep bumping your dose by 25mg every 3weeks until you reach 100mg. This is the sweet spot for most people. You will definitely make huge strength and muscle gainz at 100mg. If you are bulking, I suggest you throw some fire in your cycle at the beginning by doing 4weeks of SD @20mg ED or 4weeks before the end of your cycle. If you are cutting, throw 50mg ED of masteron propionate 3-6weeks before the end of your cycle, it will give you a nice sharp look.
If your BP is out of control, which wouldn't be a surprise on tren, I suggest you have carditone + coq10+ hawthorne berry, it works wonders. Take them only when needed and discontinue it when your blood pressure is at normal range or optimal.
And make sure you have your PA and AI on hand as well.
I usually have crazy back pumps, taurine will do the job at 5g 30minutes before your workout. I use it only on back and legs day.

I am currently running 120mg tren ED, with 30mg test ed, and SD @ 20mg ED. I have made crazy gains just on trenbolone alone. Every time i bumped my dose on tren, I had a crazy peak in strength.

Good luck mate.

 

[Mike24]

If you want to run tren/test, I suggest you do ED pinning to keep blood levels in control and sides minimal. My personal preference when running tren, is keeping test as low as possible, at TRT if possible. I tried high test and low test and I definitely preferred low. I suggest you start shooting tren ace @ 50mg ED, and as long as you feel sane and fine, keep bumping your dose by 25mg every 3weeks until you reach 100mg. This is the sweet spot for most people. You will definitely make huge strength and muscle gainz at 100mg. If you are bulking, I suggest you throw some fire in your cycle at the beginning by doing 4weeks of SD @20mg ED or 4weeks before the end of your cycle. If you are cutting, throw 50mg ED of masteron propionate 3-6weeks before the end of your cycle, it will give you a nice sharp look.
If your BP is out of control, which wouldn't be a surprise on tren, I suggest you have carditone + coq10+ hawthorne berry, it works wonders. Take them only when needed and discontinue it when your blood pressure is at normal range or optimal.
And make sure you have your PA and AI on hand as well.
I usually have crazy back pumps, taurine will do the job at 5g 30minutes before your workout. I use it only on back and legs day.

I am currently running 120mg tren ED, with 30mg test ed, and SD @ 20mg ED. I have made crazy gains just on trenbolone alone. Every time i bumped my dose on tren, I had a crazy peak in strength.

Good luck mate.

I agree that ed dosing is best for stable blood levels hands down. I suggested eod because not to many people are willing to pin ed. Your running close to 1g of test week? how does that feel? must be pretty insane.

 

[mr_ectomorph]

And don't worry about sides, they eventually fade away. Everytime you bump the dose, you might feel like balls for a 1week, but trust me, you will feel much better 1week later, your body needs time to adjust to every new dose. Tren is that powerful to make you notice the change in dose. I kind of like the feeling, because i know it is working. But, sides will all fade away with time. It took me 6-7weeks to feel perfectly normal.

But of course, if you feel that YOU REALLY need to cut tren, or lower the dose, do it. It is a short ester, that is the beauty of ace, it goes in and out quickly. So you will feel better in a matter of days.

Everyone is different, but for me, above 100mg ED, sides stop increasing, because they are at their max, for some people it might be at 150mg, it depends on your tolerance level. At a point i felt like a zombie, preworkout + vitamin c could help lots.

 

[mr_ectomorph]

I feel like 100mg ED is ideal for anyone new to tren, including me. But I just like to experiment with things. 100-120mg I noticed more strength gainz, nothing special. I want to try to throw in npp with tren, and see what happens . But all those rumors where tren is DANGEROUS, are definitely overhyped. Maybe you feel alot angrier on it, depressed, lonely... But you will get used to it once you have been on tren long enough (5-7weeks). I got a few night sweats, now I don't anymore, heart sometimes accelerated which is normal, you are introducing something new to your body, a strong compound. Your body needs to get use to it, and it definitely takes time.

 

[Hugepecks91]

Ok so start with low ass test, 200mg every week if possible. And tren 50mg everyday until I feel I want to bump. Solid advice fellas I appreciate it!

 

[mr_ectomorph]

no problem mate, just give your body time to adjust to each dose before you bump again

 

[thades]

Agree with much of what is said above. You want your test around 200-250mgs a week and your tren somewhere around 50-60mg's ed. I would definitely be on the side of pinning everyday, sides are significantly less, at least for me.

 

[snowpatrol123]

This is just what worked for me:
First tren cycle (ace with test E): 150mg test-E E4D, 150mg tren-A E2D
Second tren cycle (ace with prop): 50mg prop ED, 100-150mg tren-A ED

Don't hesitate to experiment with tren doses, but use ace not enan for your first cycle. Even on my third I'm still using Ace.