Tren's effects on sleeping
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epoxy
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The other night I dreamt out an entire movie plot similar to the movie Memento. It was weird as fuck, and I remembered all of it when I woke up. I just shake the shit off and keep moving forward telling myself I'm not crazy!
As for the post about Tren and Appetite ... I've heard people say it can suppress it, I have not noticed this personally. My appetite is out of control, I take Adderall, I've taken ECA, and I'm on Tren, none of these have ever put much of a dent in my eating habits whatsoever. I know it varies from person to person, I knew kids in HS on Adderall who couldn't finish a piece of lettuce. But as far as adding the Tren goes, it didn't affect me at all. I have my mind set on the number of calories and grams of protein I need to eat per day, so even if I have to choke it down sometimes, it's gonna get done, and that's what counts.
My body is used to eating once per 2.5-3 hours, so even on Tren, it is gurgling and ready to be fed on time for each meal.
As for the post about Tren and Appetite ... I've heard people say it can suppress it, I have not noticed this personally. My appetite is out of control, I take Adderall, I've taken ECA, and I'm on Tren, none of these have ever put much of a dent in my eating habits whatsoever. I know it varies from person to person, I knew kids in HS on Adderall who couldn't finish a piece of lettuce. But as far as adding the Tren goes, it didn't affect me at all. I have my mind set on the number of calories and grams of protein I need to eat per day, so even if I have to choke it down sometimes, it's gonna get done, and that's what counts.
My body is used to eating once per 2.5-3 hours, so even on Tren, it is gurgling and ready to be fed on time for each meal.
Cam01
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Good info, just injected my first mL of tren! I wonder if i'll survive another night......
Fixed!
R1rider
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this will be my 10th cycle. i think i will be good.might have to smoke more bud to control the aggression lol . as for the dreams, i have weird dreams as it is, i dont think they can get any wierder
Losway
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bud cures anything homi...
Cosmicdrifter
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Ambien work miracles for sleep issues. It is the most prescribed sleep medication in the US. Any doctor will give it to you without question if you mention sleep problems and a friend told you about Ambien.
The horror stories are way overblown; of course there are some people sensitive to it. There are a lot of people sensitive to Tren.
All the Tren issues seem to be dose related. How many people tell you they got weird on 300mg of Tren Enan. per week?
Then there is this...
The following is from a post on another board. The poster is a graduate of Harvard Medical School and Fellowship at MIT. He was releaved of his medical license because he prescribed AAS to a patient. He is an advocate for the responsible use of AAS.
The content is related to a question on the board about Tren and gyno. This seems to contradict conventional wisdom about Tren. Everyone raves about how it causes gyno through the expression of prolactin.
I went to the trouble of writing one of the foremost experts on trenbolone. He provided with me with a wealth of information on trenbolone. I asked about trenbolone gynecomastia. Both he and I agree that it is not described in the literature.] Further, any association would be worthy of publication.
Here are his thoughts on the interactions of trenbolone with the progesterone receptor (PR). The literature indicates that 17beta-trenbolone has a high affinity for the bovine PR (Bauer ER et al 2000); while its primary metabolites 17alpha-trenbolone and trendione do not (~1-2% of the affinity of progesterone). The ED50 (effective dose) of trenbolone to produce activity at the PR in a yeast bioassay (40nM) is approximately 10-fold higher than progesterone (4.5nM) and 57-fold higher than THG (0.7nM), a highly progestogenic AAS (Death AK et al 2004). Similarly, others have shown that trenbolone has a high ED50, with a relative potency at the PR near that of testosterone (i.e., almost non-existent) using yeast bioassays (McRobb L et al 2008). Together, these results appear to suggest that trenbolone does in fact bind to the PR, but that it requires a relatively high dose to induce biologic activity (compared with progesterone or THG for example). This would seem to agree with previous reports that trenbolone is either non-progestogenic or only weakly progestogenic (Neumann F 1976).
As a side note, I would invite you to write a Letter to the Editor of the journal Steroids, in response to our recently published report, regarding your clinical experiences with trenbolone induced gynecomastia. I believe this would be of great interest to other clinicians, especially considering the preponderance of evidence suggesting that trenbolone is only a weak progestin and only weakly estrogenic (see our review for discussion).
Braunstein GD. Aromatase and gynecomastia. Endocr Relat Cancer 1999;6:315-24.
Bauer ERS, Daxenberger A, Petri T, Sauerwein H, Meyer HHD. Characterisation of the affinity of different anabolics and synthetic hormones to the human androgen receptor, human sex hormone binding globulin and the bovine gestagen receptor. APMIS 108:838-46 (2000).
Death AK, McGrath KCY, Kazlauskas R, Handelsman DJ. Tetrahydrogestrinone Is a Potent Androgen and Progestin. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004;89(5):2498-500.
McRobb L, Handelsman DJ, Kazlauskas R, Wilkinson S, McLeod MD, Heather AK. Structure-activity relationships of synthetic progestins in a yeast-based in vitro androgen bioassay. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2008 May;110(1-2):39-47.
Neumann F. Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents. Environ Qual Saf Suppl 1976(5):253-64.
The horror stories are way overblown; of course there are some people sensitive to it. There are a lot of people sensitive to Tren.
All the Tren issues seem to be dose related. How many people tell you they got weird on 300mg of Tren Enan. per week?
Then there is this...
The following is from a post on another board. The poster is a graduate of Harvard Medical School and Fellowship at MIT. He was releaved of his medical license because he prescribed AAS to a patient. He is an advocate for the responsible use of AAS.
The content is related to a question on the board about Tren and gyno. This seems to contradict conventional wisdom about Tren. Everyone raves about how it causes gyno through the expression of prolactin.
I went to the trouble of writing one of the foremost experts on trenbolone. He provided with me with a wealth of information on trenbolone. I asked about trenbolone gynecomastia. Both he and I agree that it is not described in the literature.] Further, any association would be worthy of publication.
Here are his thoughts on the interactions of trenbolone with the progesterone receptor (PR). The literature indicates that 17beta-trenbolone has a high affinity for the bovine PR (Bauer ER et al 2000); while its primary metabolites 17alpha-trenbolone and trendione do not (~1-2% of the affinity of progesterone). The ED50 (effective dose) of trenbolone to produce activity at the PR in a yeast bioassay (40nM) is approximately 10-fold higher than progesterone (4.5nM) and 57-fold higher than THG (0.7nM), a highly progestogenic AAS (Death AK et al 2004). Similarly, others have shown that trenbolone has a high ED50, with a relative potency at the PR near that of testosterone (i.e., almost non-existent) using yeast bioassays (McRobb L et al 2008). Together, these results appear to suggest that trenbolone does in fact bind to the PR, but that it requires a relatively high dose to induce biologic activity (compared with progesterone or THG for example). This would seem to agree with previous reports that trenbolone is either non-progestogenic or only weakly progestogenic (Neumann F 1976).
As a side note, I would invite you to write a Letter to the Editor of the journal Steroids, in response to our recently published report, regarding your clinical experiences with trenbolone induced gynecomastia. I believe this would be of great interest to other clinicians, especially considering the preponderance of evidence suggesting that trenbolone is only a weak progestin and only weakly estrogenic (see our review for discussion).
Braunstein GD. Aromatase and gynecomastia. Endocr Relat Cancer 1999;6:315-24.
Bauer ERS, Daxenberger A, Petri T, Sauerwein H, Meyer HHD. Characterisation of the affinity of different anabolics and synthetic hormones to the human androgen receptor, human sex hormone binding globulin and the bovine gestagen receptor. APMIS 108:838-46 (2000).
Death AK, McGrath KCY, Kazlauskas R, Handelsman DJ. Tetrahydrogestrinone Is a Potent Androgen and Progestin. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004;89(5):2498-500.
McRobb L, Handelsman DJ, Kazlauskas R, Wilkinson S, McLeod MD, Heather AK. Structure-activity relationships of synthetic progestins in a yeast-based in vitro androgen bioassay. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2008 May;110(1-2):39-47.
Neumann F. Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents. Environ Qual Saf Suppl 1976(5):253-64.
Massive123
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R1der- told you bro. Melatonin is great. I'd defuse it over ambien, that shit is crack. It feels much more natural and less habit-forming
Rougen glad to hear it's goin well so far. What brand tren are you using? What dose? What are you running it with?
Rougen glad to hear it's goin well so far. What brand tren are you using? What dose? What are you running it with?
JuicyJuggalo
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Im on 600mg/wk test enanthate and 400mg/wk tren acetate, 6 weeks into it. NO sleep issues, tho I do wake up a lil sweaty and oily (oilyness=Gross) in the morning. Metallic taste, check! Increased aggression, BIG check! I assist control with the herbage, appetite too, normally dont have a big appetite but I can eat a lil better. Tren doesnt help appetite imo, it just optimizes what you do eat turning more into meat. I get crazy pumps and swells when working out and my veins are popping out everywhere. Im getting leaner and more cut around my waist and body everytime I wake up it seems. On a personal note, My dick swells w/tren too, My wife swears its growing thicker and wider everytime Im on cycle.. I tell her it just appears that way cuz my balls shrink to lil nuttz! LOL tho it really does look like it stretches HER open more and more! Personally, I get heartburn ALWAYS, but its freakin gettin unbearable! All i gotta do is flex my abs hard to like pose for pix or similar and its got me feelin like ima puke! Tums dont help, my chiropractor says its because my back is so whacked out of alignment but I dont trust everything those quacks say. Also my body hair, I usually shave from beard to toe, is growing insane fast!! I gotta completely shave whole body eod! WHACK! off cycle only shave once a week. I get stressed easily and find myself in like, panic attacks. Only smoke once or twice a day so I dont render it useless but definately knocks out the panic feeling.
Rougen123
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Running 100mg, Provela, with ambro sust-250, the ambro Sustanon (sust) has more shorter ester than medium-long range, shooting EOD. Havn't noticed the metalic taste yet, or had night sweats, or coughs. Although this morning come 8 o clock, my ass just tossed and turned in bed till 10.
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