Triptorelin intervention on 34 y.o. AAS user at University of Brescia

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Does anyone have the full study cited on this intervention they did at the endocrinology unit in Brescia, Italy from a medical website?
 
I've gotten a hold of the Abstract from PUBMED but not the entire article.
I'm looking if anyone knows a link to a journal of medicine e.t.c. where it is all there, something along the lines of the clomid study done in MA.
My family doc likes these medical studies.
 
This 34 y.o. had T levels @0.3 ng/ML (range was: 2-12 ng/ML)
anyone know what this is converted to in ng/dl?
also study said he had a normal semen analysis....
I hate to be graphic here but how do they get semen to analyze out of a guy that has 0.3 ng/ML of T?
 
Never mind....
his 7ng/ML they raised him to after the Triptorelin treatment is equivalent to 641 ng/dl
Decent results...
I wonder if he stayed at that level.???
 
APOLLON said:
This 34 y.o. had T levels @0.3 ng/ML (range was: 2-12 ng/ML)
anyone know what this is converted to in ng/dl?
also study said he had a normal semen analysis....
I hate to be graphic here but how do they get semen to analyze out of a guy that has 0.3 ng/ML of T?
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1Ml = .01Dl

That's because sperm count has to do with more than just total testosterone.
 
No. It said they analyzed his semen....
that would mean he would need to provide a sample, wouldn't it?
his Total T was 27 ng/dl when he went in there to see them.
How do you get hard to shoot at 27 ng/dl?
 
APOLLON said:
No. It said they analyzed his semen....
that would mean he would need to provide a sample, wouldn't it?
his Total T was 27 ng/dl when he went in there to see them.
How do you get hard to shoot at 27 ng/dl?
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Do you think testosterone levels are the only thing relevant when it comes to getting an erection? Also, do you believe you have to be at full mast to shoot off a sample?
 
DreDay187 said:
Do you think testosterone levels are the only thing relevant when it comes to getting an erection? Also, do you believe you have to be at full mast to shoot off a sample?
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I don't even think you can get 25% of a "semi" with 27 ng/dl
 
If someone who has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 years and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocols before that and has discontinued treatment and it's been 13 months and Total T is 265 ng/dl....
at what point is it not best to seek out professionals like these and attempt a Triptorelin restart?
Triptorelin blows clomid therapy away.
 
APOLLON said:
I don't even think you can get 25% of a "semi" with 27 ng/dl
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I am still getting erections during PCT and was getting them prior to startin PCT when my testosterone levels would have been at their absolute lowest. Conversely, you can be on a test and deca cycle with supra-physiological testosterone levels and still get deca dick with astronomical test levels. My point is erections aren't based solely on testosterone levels. Yes they do play a part in erections but they're not the sole mediating factor.
 
APOLLON said:
If someone who has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 years and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono protocols before that and has discontinued treatment and it's been 13 months and Total T is 265 ng/dl....
at what point is it not best to seek out professionals like these and attempt a Triptorelin restart?
Triptorelin blows clomid therapy away.
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And you're basing this claim off a single case study, where n=1, and where admittedly you don't have access to the full study to see if its even relevant to begin with and applicable to us as a population group?

If someone has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 years and they've been through those circumstances (I'm assuming you're talking about yourself), then the subject/patient should get a new doctor if they're unhappy with they're urgent one, do the research and leg work and attempt it on your own if you're confident enough in your research capabilities, or just come to grips with the fact that he/she may be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient from here on out. Not everyone can be restarted, otherwise there'd be no need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if we could restart every single hypogonadal patient.
 
DreDay187 said:
And you're basing this claim off a single case study, where n=1, and where admittedly you don't have access to the full study to see if its even relevant to begin with and applicable to us as a population group?

If someone has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 years and they've been through those circumstances (I'm assuming you're talking about yourself), then the subject/patient should get a new doctor if they're unhappy with they're urgent one, do the research and leg work and attempt it on your own if you're confident enough in your research capabilities, or just come to grips with the fact that he/she may be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient from here on out. Not everyone can be restarted, otherwise there'd be no need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if we could restart every single hypogonadal patient.
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It's not that I'm unhappy....
Just that my family doc said give your body a break from it and see what happens...he convinced me because we found what was bothering me(severe sleep apnea)...it felt mentally comforting being free of weekly administrations and I did not feel horribly bad.
At 291 ng/dl I'm not tearing the joint down when I work out...but I'm not in the dumps either...
I've adjusted to lower T...
but I would not mind a slight increase to get back to doing more strenuous work and sex life e.t.c.
 
DreDay187 said:
And you're basing this claim off a single case study, where n=1, and where admittedly you don't have access to the full study to see if its even relevant to begin with and applicable to us as a population group?

If someone has been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for 2.5 years and they've been through those circumstances (I'm assuming you're talking about yourself), then the subject/patient should get a new doctor if they're unhappy with they're urgent one, do the research and leg work and attempt it on your own if you're confident enough in your research capabilities, or just come to grips with the fact that he/she may be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient from here on out. Not everyone can be restarted, otherwise there'd be no need for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if we could restart every single hypogonadal patient.
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But there are a lot of slobs in the medical world that will throw scripts at the patient and not even attempt a restart...
why didn't my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc attempt a "restart" on me when I was 25?
I went in with blood work Total T ranging from 582-663 ng/dl....
why did he tell me to do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 times a week and not try to restart me one time and see how I did?
Then 4 years later he tell me to go to T shots because the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocols have me at 520 ng/dl and my levels should be "higher"
 
APOLLON said:
It's not that I'm unhappy....
Just that my family doc said give your body a break from it and see what happens...he convinced me because we found what was bothering me(severe sleep apnea)...it felt mentally comforting being free of weekly administrations and I did not feel horribly bad.
At 291 ng/dl I'm not tearing the joint down when I work out...but I'm not in the dumps either...
I've adjusted to lower T...
but I would not mind a slight increase to get back to doing more strenuous work and sex life e.t.c.
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Your number one priority should be to find a doctor you're comfortable with, not one you're complaining about all the time and one who won't listen to you, the patient. Work with THAT doctor on a restart protocol and hope for the bet. Barring that, I know Austinite has given you a restart protocol from his recommendations. Try that one out if you don't want to switch doctors. Or the final option again is to accept low levels or get back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). My thoughts are that a lot of this is mental for you. Yes your levels aren't what they once were but you could be psyching yourself out unnecessarily and that could have a more profound effect on you than your actual testosterone levels. It's not an easy choice you've got to make but you've got to pick a path and see it through to the end before you put all your eggs into one basket with triptorelin bc as I said before, you're basing its efficacy off a single UNREPEATED study on ONE individual, and of which you don't have full access to the study and don't know how his testosterone levels have been c amount of weeks since therapy. They could have gone back down for all we know.
 
i tried trip after a 12 week tren a tren e and test p cycle and shit worked very nice my first load was absolutely massive and i was back to normal i swear in two or 3 weeks.. unfortunatley no tests to prove just my woodies :)
 
DreDay187 said:
Your number one priority should be to find a doctor you're comfortable with, not one you're complaining about all the time and one who won't listen to you, the patient. Work with THAT doctor on a restart protocol and hope for the bet. Barring that, I know Austinite has given you a restart protocol from his recommendations. Try that one out if you don't want to switch doctors. Or the final option again is to accept low levels or get back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). My thoughts are that a lot of this is mental for you. Yes your levels aren't what they once were but you could be psyching yourself out unnecessarily and that could have a more profound effect on you than your actual testosterone levels. It's not an easy choice you've got to make but you've got to pick a path and see it through to the end before you put all your eggs into one basket with triptorelin bc as I said before, you're basing its efficacy off a single UNREPEATED study on ONE individual, and of which you don't have full access to the study and don't know how his testosterone levels have been c amount of weeks since therapy. They could have gone back down for all we know.
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