TRT and increased amount of injuries

bigben66

bigben66

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So, I've been on TRT for about 18 months now in total, and sex/libido wise - everything is running nicely.

The issue I have, is that pretty much ever since I started replacing my testosterone (albeit low amounts) with synthetic testosterone, the amount of injuries I have had, has increased alarmingly.

I find I pick up injuries doing almost nothing, ache everywhere after intense training, and my major joints (hips, knees, elbows etc) are all tight and painful.

This has nothing at all to do with my T levels or estrogen - as I know for sure that these are in check via blood tests.

I'm just putting this out there, to see if any other TRT patients have had, or are having, any similar experiences.

BigBen
 
I'm the exact opposite. All my nagging injuries are better and I have the energy to train 4-5 times a week instead of the 2-3 I was managing before TRT. Plus since I'm stronger, and feel better overall, I train smarter and don't get as many stupid injuries as I was getting.

Are you doing any mobility work? I do at least 20-30 minutes of PT/Mobility work and that helps me tremendously. My foam roller and lacrosse ball are 2 of my best friends. Joe Defranco's Limber 11 routine has been a life saver for me, I do that and some more specific neck and shoulder stuff that my physio has given me to do.
 
I've just signed up for yoga and I've been foam rolling, trigger pointing for a while now...

I'm seeing a specialist next week to work on tightness in my psoas region - which in turn causes tightness throughout hips, glutes, hip flexors etc...

I'm just curious as to whether anyone else has been having niggles occurring - I've read that a lot of MMA guys on TRT struggle with increased amount of injuries, I'm not into MMA myself, but it has cropped up in my research.

Thanks for the 'DeFranco Limber 11' link - I'll add that to my repertoire!
 
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I have felt much better since getting on TRT. The nagging aches and pains aren't there anymore and I recover faster after workouts. So for me too it has had the opposite effect.

I do remember reading in a study that I probably couldn't find the link to again about increased colds associated with higher test levels. I remember it because it was counter to what I would have expected.
 
I'd be interested in that study mega, mostly if it took into account diet, exercise, and nutritional changes between the study groups. Otherwise it could be have a p=horseshit.

I'll echo the sentiment that old nagging injuries have gone away, the daily aches and pains I felt have been replaced with soreness and overexertion injuries. I have recently healed from my first major injury since on TRT and I gotta say the recovery was blindingly fast. Grade II calf tear in November and im up to running 4 miles on my long days already. I only started walking on it again 8 weeks ago. What does suck is while in down dog for yoga class, I can't stop looking at my legs a wondering when the fuck it'll return to normal size, but it's working right at least. Now I am suspicious if the elevated hormone levels and the rapid muscle growth I experienced leading up to the injury played a part in it happening at all? Could be, could be coincidence.
 
Testosterone does decrease collagen synthesis, so it's entirely feasible that injuries are possible at an elevated rate. While this mostly applies to supraphysiological levels, I can see how it could still have this effect, albeit at a reduced rate.

I do tend to continue to pick up little injuries, but I attribute it more to the fact that I spend several hours in the gym 7 days a week. I suppose that those of us that train hard, and are able to continue training hard as we have a constant source of testosterone (naturals will have an ebb and flow) are more likely to receive injury. Of course that's just speculation based on observation.

The study I'm thinking of that Mega may be referring to was explained away as males are more susceptible to illness as a means to keep us healthy during times of necessity as males would have more antibodies present. Makes sense to me from a design aspect, but that would also be speculation on those performing the study.

My .02c :)
 
Megatron28 said:
I have felt much better since getting on TRT. The nagging aches and pains aren't there anymore and I recover faster after workouts. So for me too it has had the opposite effect.

I do remember reading in a study that I probably couldn't find the link to again about increased colds associated with higher test levels. I remember it because it was counter to what I would have expected.
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I've had a non stop cold since December, but that could also be the fact that I live with 2 elementary school aged germ factories that constantly have their fingers in their noses and never wash their hands lol.
 
TRTnooby said:
I've had a non stop cold since December, but that could also be the fact that I live with 2 elementary school aged germ factories that constantly have their fingers in their noses and never wash their hands lol.
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ROFL!

Sadly I don't think there's anything known to man that can save us from the WMD's known as our children. ;)
 
From what I read collagen synthesis doesn't decrease unless you're using over (I believe it was, if I'm recalling correctly) 200mg-250mg per week. So, a TRT dose which usually won't be over 200mg per week shouldn't have too much of an effect. I haven't noticed more aches and pains, or injuries. If your e2 is in check, then it may just be age /wear and tear catching up with you. You may want to look into the peptide TB-500 which has really helped with my patellar tendons, and a few other tendonitis issues.
 
Yeah, I’ve been on TRT for 3+ years. I’m in the same boat as Mega. Everything is better across the board. I was not expecting this. Looking back, this just turns out to be the case. I cannot say exactly why I continue to feel so good (physically) – I’m pretty sure TRT is a big factor.

I have not been sick in the last 2 years – not one single day. My wife and kids get sick on a regular basis – but I don’t seem to. Of course, sometimes I do stupid things … overdoing things at the gym or going too often, lifting too heavy, sloppy form. So minor injuries do happen, but they are self-inflicted. I’m in my mid 50’s and I am continually amazed at the rate at which I can heal.

I have also been doing a lot of Yoga over the last year and a half. I started because I wanted to get some range of motion back. It’s helping but it’s a very slow process (attempting to undo 30 years of damage from having a desk job). To my surprise, Yoga has helped a lot with joint pain. I don’t like it, but I obviously need to do it.

There is no way for me to quantify exactly how much of this general level of improvement is due to TRT. I can say that getting enough sleep, eating right and exercising every day (well … almost every day) definitely agrees with me. TRT certainly helps me do that.
 
lucius11 said:
Yeah, I***8217;ve been on TRT for 3+ years. I***8217;m in the same boat as Mega. Everything is better across the board. I was not expecting this. Looking back, this just turns out to be the case. I cannot say exactly why I continue to feel so good (physically) ***8211; I***8217;m pretty sure TRT is a big factor.

I have not been sick in the last 2 years ***8211; not one single day. My wife and kids get sick on a regular basis ***8211; but I don***8217;t seem to. Of course, sometimes I do stupid things ***8230; overdoing things at the gym or going too often, lifting too heavy, sloppy form. So minor injuries do happen, but they are self-inflicted. I***8217;m in my mid 50***8217;s and I am continually amazed at the rate at which I can heal.

I have also been doing a lot of Yoga over the last year and a half. I started because I wanted to get some range of motion back. It***8217;s helping but it***8217;s a very slow process (attempting to undo 30 years of damage from having a desk job). To my surprise, Yoga has helped a lot with joint pain. I don***8217;t like it, but I obviously need to do it.

There is no way for me to quantify exactly how much of this general level of improvement is due to TRT. I can say that getting enough sleep, eating right and exercising every day (well ***8230; almost every day) definitely agrees with me. TRT certainly helps me do that.
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The self inflicted part is so true. I've been working really hard on training smarter, really being present with my training, and not letting myself get distracted by ego. I often find myself having the same insight over an over again whenever I hurt myself. Just because I can do a thing, doesn't mean I should, I'm feeling better now than I have in years and I want to keep feeling better, anything else is secondary. When I'm able to be clear and present with that fact, my injury rate goes way way down, and whenever I lose sight of it, I hurt something. Thankfully I've been developing a lower and lower tolerance for pain, so things don't get out of control the way they used to.

A lot of it stems from being overly competitive with other people, when really the only person I'm competing with is myself, if I just use my competitiveness to drive me to get a little bit better today than I was yesterday then everything will be fine. When I push myself to try and keep up with the national champion wrestler and absolute genetic freak, who is also 10 years younger than me, well then I'm just asking for a hurting.
 
TRTnooby said:
I've had a non stop cold since December, but that could also be the fact that I live with 2 elementary school aged germ factories that constantly have their fingers in their noses and never wash their hands lol.
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I certainly think a lot of my aches and pains stem from wear and tear (soccer, rugby, 25yrs of bodybuilding) and also a lack of flexibility throughout my hips and lower back. I tried that DeFranco limber 11 last night for half an hour and felt fantastic afterwards - so I'll be keeping up with this regularly as well as regular yoga.

I'm 44 this year and I have no intention of packing bodybuilding in - I guess I'm just going to have to be more conscious of looking after my joints and keeping them freed up. It's refreshing to hear that if anything, those on TRT feel better for it, and not worse.

Thanks for the input fellas - much appreciated!

BigBen
 
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Good stuff man, glad it helped. I've been doing that routine every day for almost a year and its been nothing short of a revelation. I can sit in the asian squat position now for almost 30 seconds when I couldn't even get into it before. Tight hips were the root of all my issues, since they're at the starting point of both upper and lower kinetic chains, all my back, neck, shoulder and knee problems were directly related, because I was over stressing those joints to compensate. It only works if I keep doing it. I slacked off on it for a couple of months, missing days, speeding through it, ect, and I just went through 2 weeks of hell with my right hip flexor, glute and sciatic nerve all screaming at me for neglecting my mobility.
 
I just looked up the DeFranco 11 thing. Other than the roller stuff he is just doing all the basic stretches one does before a hockey game. It is a lot easier to do those stretches on the ice.

Who knew I have seen doing the DeFranco 9 all these years? :-)
 
Megatron28 said:
I just looked up the DeFranco 11 thing. Other than the roller stuff he is just doing all the basic stretches one does before a hockey game. It is a lot easier to do those stretches on the ice.

Who knew I have seen doing the DeFranco 9 all these years? :-)
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Try out the foam roller and lacrosse ball stuff. You're muscles will thank you. Its as close to a sports massage you can get without dropping 80-100 bucks.
 
bigben66 said:
How would one get hold of Pregnenolone?

Do UGL's usually sell it?

Certainly sounds like it's worth a try, thanks Juced
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Make sure to get a micronized version of pregnenolone. It has a higher absorption rate. It's more around 90%. Non-micronized is around 50%.
 
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