trt?????????to Cruz or not to cruz
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halfwit
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The number is irrelevant. It is, has been, and always will be about how you feel. WAY too many guys make the mistake of chasing a number - that's seriously a trap, as you can psyche yourself out into thinking that you feel a certain way once you know a number.
TRT is AMAZING if you need it; a life-sentence to the needle when you don't however? Probably not so much.
However, if you plan on using AAS for the rest of your foreseeable future, know that TRT WILL be in your future. Cruising only speeds up the process. I can only suggest that you really give some thought to it.
My .02c
TRT is AMAZING if you need it; a life-sentence to the needle when you don't however? Probably not so much.
However, if you plan on using AAS for the rest of your foreseeable future, know that TRT WILL be in your future. Cruising only speeds up the process. I can only suggest that you really give some thought to it.
My .02c
Megatron28
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Read the FAQs link in m signature. It provides a chart on average natural TT levels by age
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Thats low my 68 year old fathers was 760 before he started TRT.
halfwit
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Assuming 100mg/wk doesn't put you into supraphysiological levels, there aren't any health risks outside what we TRT patients manage. Hematocrit, estradiol, and left ventricular hypertrophy are the biggies.
LVH is a crap shoot, and while it's not treatable in the common sense of the word - I'd rather face that than the certain death from hypogonadism. The rest can be treated indefinitely until you die.
jolter604
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Man u are sscaring Me with those words like inlarged vavles and shit like that?and lvh and hypogonadism?so putting myself on try and donating blood and thinking I could manage the whole thing without a doctor is just stupid.....
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ChronosOceanus
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Halfwit - am I correct in saying that LVH is mostly a concern with AAS/blasts, or is it a concern with TRT, as well? Should TRT guys be getting regular ECG's and ultrasounds on their heart along with monitoring BP?
A forum search proved that these tests would be a good idea, but I couldn't tell if this only applied to AAS use, and was curious if there were any updated studies or info.
Roush
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Jolter .. I don't see any reason to deal with 'cruising' or going on TRT for the rest of your life and dealing with any of that just for the the hell of it . Are you in the fitness industry and make $ off of the way your body looks and you need to cruise on test to maintain that look year round ?
why choose to treat yourself (with risks and side effects) for a medical condition you do NOT have ? Sure , personal choice , do whatever the fuk you want .. running test at 200 mg a week the rest of your life can make you 'feel' better , so be it .
doing fat lines of cocaine every day could make me feel better too, does not mean its beneficial in the big picture.
just my 2 cents
why choose to treat yourself (with risks and side effects) for a medical condition you do NOT have ? Sure , personal choice , do whatever the fuk you want .. running test at 200 mg a week the rest of your life can make you 'feel' better , so be it .
doing fat lines of cocaine every day could make me feel better too, does not mean its beneficial in the big picture.
just my 2 cents
halfwit
I like turtles.
I'm just giving you the facts. I know things like polycythemia vera or hemachromatosis sound scary, but donating blood and keeping tabs on estradiol are all you really need to know.
Hypogonadism is what happens when you stop. You won't be making any testosterone naturally, so your health will decline.
The big problem with LVH is that most studies are still somewhat inconclusive. Smoking or working in oxygen-deprived environments has been proven to cause this, and men in general have a much greater risk. Unfortunately, this leads to a catch 22; do men in these studies just happen to have a higher incidence of LVH, or is being male the risk?
I have found a few newer studies (on phone in restroom at work lol) that do point towards androgens themselves causing the hypertrophy - which makes sense as the heart is a muscle afterall. From this standpoint, ANY androgenic activity could theoretically induce such growth, but I would imagine that blasting/cycling would have a far more potent effect.
I would recommend getting checked once a year, during your annual checkup. Yeah, I'm horrible at scheduling those myself.
Megatron28
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I'm just giving you the facts. I know things like polycythemia vera or hemachromatosis sound scary, but donating blood and keeping tabs on estradiol are all you really need to know.
Hypogonadism is what happens when you stop. You won't be making any testosterone naturally, so your health will decline.
The big problem with LVH is that most studies are still somewhat inconclusive. Smoking or working in oxygen-deprived environments has been proven to cause this, and men in general have a much greater risk. Unfortunately, this leads to a catch 22; do men in these studies just happen to have a higher incidence of LVH, or is being male the risk?
I have found a few newer studies (on phone in restroom at work lol) that do point towards androgens themselves causing the hypertrophy - which makes sense as the heart is a muscle afterall. From this standpoint, ANY androgenic activity could theoretically induce such growth, but I would imagine that blasting/cycling would have a far more potent effect.
I would recommend getting checked once a year, during your annual checkup. Yeah, I'm horrible at scheduling those myself.
I thought athletes in general were more prone to LVH. But you would never advise anyone to stop exercising and training because of this potential risk.
Being the hypochondriac I am... As I read this.. I think my LVH is growing.
Megatron28
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Stop crossing the street too. Might be a car waiting to run you over.
But we do know for certain that in the long run, Hypogonadism will slowly kill you. So there is always that.
halfwit
I like turtles.
Yup, anaerobic activity is another "risk" factor. That's why I just worry about the sides I can control, and get checkups/blood work regularly. Will I go to an early grave because I cycle AAS? Maybe.
But I promise that I would have died much sooner if I hadn't been bitten by the bug, and rediscovered my passion for bbing - which led to TRT and a healthy lifestyle change.
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