Hey everyone, got a few questions about holding water. I have been researching a lot of forums about nova during a cycle. First off here r my stats & diet. 6'0 215 pds 13% b.f. 41 yrs old. My diet consists of, 4:30am- meal (1). 8 egg whites and (2) whole eggs with a cup of oat meal with blue berries and straw berries with 20g protein shake. Meal (2). 7:30am-8oz of lean ground beef (1) cup of veggies with a whole grain bagel and 8oz of skim milk. Meal (3). 10:30am-50gr whey protein shake with (3) whole eggs, 1/2 cup of almonds and whole grain bagel. 1:30pm-meal (4). (8) oz of salmon with veggies and (1) table spoon of olive oil and sweet potato. 4:30pm- meal (5). Pre workout-1/2 cup of oat meal (2) table spoons of all natural peanut butter and 50gr protein shake. 5:45pm-meal (6). Post workout-20gr protein shake and afterglow supplement for insulin spike. 8:00pm meal (7) (8)oz sirloin steak sometimes rib-eye (1) cup of veggies and whole grain bagel. 9:00pm meal (8) 50gr protein shake just before bed. Any critique on this diet would be appreciated. By the way, i am also taking in around 1.5-2 gallons of water a day and limit my sodium in-take. Now, for my cycle. This past monday did my first injection of test-e at 250mg and 300mg of equipoise. This will be done every monday and thursday for (16) weeks. It has been only (1) week and i am holding a lot of water. I was told by a friend who has been a pro body builder for 20 or so yrs (won mr. Louisiana back in the 90's). That i needed to take 20mg of nova ed during this cycle for water retention and possible gyno. After researching a lot of threads, it has come to my understanding that this will have an affect on my gains. Just wondering if anyone could give me some sound advice on this. Thank you.
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Diet looks fine, may be too heavy on carbs for your body type so google carb cycling or talk to the mod 3J in the diet forum.
Now this is not to start anything with you but for a guy being a pro for 20 years, he needs to get out of the 80's because he would know that nolvadex will not do anything for water retention. Nolva is a SERM, used in post cycle, during a cycle it has and can be used to prevent gyno by blocking estrogen at the receptor in Specific receptors, those being the area that you get gyno.
So nolva does nothing to reduce estrogen, it prevents gyno but leaves you with high amounts of estro floating around. Not good. One benefit is it may positively effect lipids but can also put you at risk for blood clots.
What your friend should be telling you is that you need an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which will reduce estrogen. Aromisin (exemestane) is the best option IMO. It's a suicidal inhibitor, it's not bad on lipids like other ai's it's mild, and works very well on most people. Other options are arimidex(anastrazole) or letrozole. Don't get letro.
If you have done one injection and are retaining water, then it's your diet. I'm assuming 14% bf is a guess as the majority of people can only guess or use calipers or a scale which are both junk. Men with higher bf % aromatics ester more rapidly but one inject of test e is not going to make you hold a lot of water that quick.
So back to diet, you really only need about a gallon a day. Test is not hard on the liver or kidneys as long as you have sufficient water intake and yours is a little high IMO. Cut the carbs, that's mist likely the source of your problem.
This is the typical situation, we all usually get started on gear by a friend who is a big guy, big guy at the gym, a pro, or whatever. 90% of the time they are genetically superior in terms of body building than the average guy in the gym, that doesnt mean much other than they may respond to hormones better, or don't gain much fat or hold much water, whatever the case may be. But those are usually also the guys giving shitty advice because they don't know anything besides the Internet/gym/bb myths that have been around for ever. Nolva was used because we didn't have ai's but it was only to prevent gyno, and for post cycle which I'm assuming if you go based off a gym guy there is no need for it or no mention of it.
Water retention is the result of diet (carbs for some, or sodium, or not enough water) or estro, which you may naturally be high on estro but one inject isn't going to do much of anything that you will see or feel physically.
Stick around, read up to date articles or continue to ask questions here but there is no need for nolva on your cycle. The only time I would add that is during a test suspension cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). And in post cycle.
I'd look at the diet and there is a lot of sodium in things you wouldn't think there would be so read the labels, even if it says low sodium, read the label because I'm not sure what they are comparing it to. Good luck.
Now this is not to start anything with you but for a guy being a pro for 20 years, he needs to get out of the 80's because he would know that nolvadex will not do anything for water retention. Nolva is a SERM, used in post cycle, during a cycle it has and can be used to prevent gyno by blocking estrogen at the receptor in Specific receptors, those being the area that you get gyno.
So nolva does nothing to reduce estrogen, it prevents gyno but leaves you with high amounts of estro floating around. Not good. One benefit is it may positively effect lipids but can also put you at risk for blood clots.
What your friend should be telling you is that you need an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which will reduce estrogen. Aromisin (exemestane) is the best option IMO. It's a suicidal inhibitor, it's not bad on lipids like other ai's it's mild, and works very well on most people. Other options are arimidex(anastrazole) or letrozole. Don't get letro.
If you have done one injection and are retaining water, then it's your diet. I'm assuming 14% bf is a guess as the majority of people can only guess or use calipers or a scale which are both junk. Men with higher bf % aromatics ester more rapidly but one inject of test e is not going to make you hold a lot of water that quick.
So back to diet, you really only need about a gallon a day. Test is not hard on the liver or kidneys as long as you have sufficient water intake and yours is a little high IMO. Cut the carbs, that's mist likely the source of your problem.
This is the typical situation, we all usually get started on gear by a friend who is a big guy, big guy at the gym, a pro, or whatever. 90% of the time they are genetically superior in terms of body building than the average guy in the gym, that doesnt mean much other than they may respond to hormones better, or don't gain much fat or hold much water, whatever the case may be. But those are usually also the guys giving shitty advice because they don't know anything besides the Internet/gym/bb myths that have been around for ever. Nolva was used because we didn't have ai's but it was only to prevent gyno, and for post cycle which I'm assuming if you go based off a gym guy there is no need for it or no mention of it.
Water retention is the result of diet (carbs for some, or sodium, or not enough water) or estro, which you may naturally be high on estro but one inject isn't going to do much of anything that you will see or feel physically.
Stick around, read up to date articles or continue to ask questions here but there is no need for nolva on your cycle. The only time I would add that is during a test suspension cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). And in post cycle.
I'd look at the diet and there is a lot of sodium in things you wouldn't think there would be so read the labels, even if it says low sodium, read the label because I'm not sure what they are comparing it to. Good luck.
Oh and you have a lot of shakes, pwo is fine but you have a shake with the lowest amount of protien at that time (20g) but are using a supp to spike insulin!!!!!!
Insulin is to shuttle nutrients, ie. Protiens, bcaa's, etc. If you are trying to spike insulin, provide your body with the nutrients to make it effective.
Insulin is to shuttle nutrients, ie. Protiens, bcaa's, etc. If you are trying to spike insulin, provide your body with the nutrients to make it effective.
Matt0071
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lack of water causes water retention bro!
I dont run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if doing a Test Only Cycle either, to each there own, but if i start to feel itchy nips ect, i just run 10mg of nolva throughout my cycle!
No need to take 20mg of Nolva, just run 10mg ed and you'll be fine bro!
But as others stated if u find u wanna run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) go for it bro, prevents the shit from even startng in the first place, i myself am not prone for gyno symtoms thats why i dont run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during a test only cycle, only time i do is when i stack compounds
highly unlikely for Gyno symtoms running 400mg of Test C
I dont run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if doing a Test Only Cycle either, to each there own, but if i start to feel itchy nips ect, i just run 10mg of nolva throughout my cycle!
No need to take 20mg of Nolva, just run 10mg ed and you'll be fine bro!
But as others stated if u find u wanna run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) go for it bro, prevents the shit from even startng in the first place, i myself am not prone for gyno symtoms thats why i dont run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during a test only cycle, only time i do is when i stack compounds
highly unlikely for Gyno symtoms running 400mg of Test C
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H 3 L L S M A N
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Yes drink plenty of water and regular times through out the day to avoid water retention.
Jack Tors
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Overall pretty good diet bro. You looking to put some mass on right?
4:30am- meal (1).
8 egg whites and (2) whole eggs with a cup of oat meal with blue berries and straw berries with 20g protein shake.
Meal (2). 7:30am-
8oz of lean ground beef (1) cup of veggies with a whole grain bagel and 8oz of skim milk.
Meal (3). 10:30am-
50gr whey protein shake with (3) whole eggs, 1/2 cup of almonds and whole grain bagel.
1:30pm-meal (4).
(8) oz of salmon with veggies and (1) table spoon of olive oil and sweet potato.
4:30pm- meal (5).
Pre workout-1/2 cup of oat meal (2) table spoons of all natural peanut butter and 50gr protein shake.
I dont like the back to back shakes. 2 cans of tuna?
5:45pm-meal (6).
Post workout-20gr protein shake and afterglow supplement for insulin spike.
50gms whey + 5gm Creatine + aftergrpw is fine
8:00pm meal (7)
(8)oz sirloin steak sometimes rib-eye (1) cup of veggies and whole grain bagel.
bagels tend to have a shit ton of sodium. I'd prefer 1/2 to 1c. of rice or potatoes would be better.
drop the carbs here if you start putting on bf
9:00pm meal (8)
50gr protein shake just before bed. Any critique on this diet would be appreciated.
Cottage cheese or a chicken breast or fish. (Some form of slower digesting protein with low fat. Whey protein is not good here
1.5-2 gallons of water a day and limit my sodium in-take.
IMO 1.5 is plenty
That i needed to take 20mg of nova ed during this cycle for water retention and possible gyno. After researching a lot of threads, it has come to my understanding that this will have an affect on my gains.
Lot of bloating? Try the adex. Hes not wrong IMO Nolva is fine maybe try 10mg ED instead of 20mgs especially if your prone to gyno. on the forums all of a sudden taking nolva on cycle is evil and nobody does it. The adex is a good choice wont lower IGF levels like Nolva (which has been exaggerated). I know a lot of guys who still use Nolva on cycle. I always did. I used Adex last few runs and upcoming run aswell .25mg ED or so everyones diff. The a-dex will impact your gains more than the nolva will mostly bc of the method it uses to control estrogen.
4:30am- meal (1).
8 egg whites and (2) whole eggs with a cup of oat meal with blue berries and straw berries with 20g protein shake.
Meal (2). 7:30am-
8oz of lean ground beef (1) cup of veggies with a whole grain bagel and 8oz of skim milk.
Meal (3). 10:30am-
50gr whey protein shake with (3) whole eggs, 1/2 cup of almonds and whole grain bagel.
1:30pm-meal (4).
(8) oz of salmon with veggies and (1) table spoon of olive oil and sweet potato.
4:30pm- meal (5).
Pre workout-1/2 cup of oat meal (2) table spoons of all natural peanut butter and 50gr protein shake.
I dont like the back to back shakes. 2 cans of tuna?
5:45pm-meal (6).
Post workout-20gr protein shake and afterglow supplement for insulin spike.
50gms whey + 5gm Creatine + aftergrpw is fine
8:00pm meal (7)
(8)oz sirloin steak sometimes rib-eye (1) cup of veggies and whole grain bagel.
bagels tend to have a shit ton of sodium. I'd prefer 1/2 to 1c. of rice or potatoes would be better.
drop the carbs here if you start putting on bf
9:00pm meal (8)
50gr protein shake just before bed. Any critique on this diet would be appreciated.
Cottage cheese or a chicken breast or fish. (Some form of slower digesting protein with low fat. Whey protein is not good here
1.5-2 gallons of water a day and limit my sodium in-take.
IMO 1.5 is plenty
That i needed to take 20mg of nova ed during this cycle for water retention and possible gyno. After researching a lot of threads, it has come to my understanding that this will have an affect on my gains.
Lot of bloating? Try the adex. Hes not wrong IMO Nolva is fine maybe try 10mg ED instead of 20mgs especially if your prone to gyno. on the forums all of a sudden taking nolva on cycle is evil and nobody does it. The adex is a good choice wont lower IGF levels like Nolva (which has been exaggerated). I know a lot of guys who still use Nolva on cycle. I always did. I used Adex last few runs and upcoming run aswell .25mg ED or so everyones diff. The a-dex will impact your gains more than the nolva will mostly bc of the method it uses to control estrogen.
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Jack Tors
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Now, for my cycle. This past monday did my first injection of test-e at 250mg and 300mg of equipoise. This will be done every monday and thursday for (16) weeks. It has been only (1) week and i am holding a lot of water.
1st cycle? Keep it simple 500mg of test C for 12 weeks. I'd drop the EQ. I wouldnt do EQ for 16 weeks either shit can be liver toxic. 12 max.
1 week? the water retension is most likey your diet bro. ditch the bagels for a while and watch your sodium intake closely.
Plain bagel, large, 3.9 oz - 700mg
1st cycle? Keep it simple 500mg of test C for 12 weeks. I'd drop the EQ. I wouldnt do EQ for 16 weeks either shit can be liver toxic. 12 max.
1 week? the water retension is most likey your diet bro. ditch the bagels for a while and watch your sodium intake closely.
Plain bagel, large, 3.9 oz - 700mg
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DADAWG
Community Veteran
your frioend gave BAD advice , nolva does zero for water retention. also IF your holding any water its not from steroids , theres no way test eth and eq bloatde you in a few days.
crazyfmike
New member
Creatine and gear especially a 19-nor is bad news.
Matt0071
New member
yeah forsure mike, creatine just cause's alot of water weight in the muscle's, creatine supplements suck period, as my thoughts on creatine, the shit makes u bloated and feel like shit to begin with!
lol kids at my gym talking one day in the change room of taking 100 grams of GNC's Monohydrate creatine, and stated thats why i look the way i do and have massive pumps lmao, what a joke, toxins just pooring into his liver!
lol kids at my gym talking one day in the change room of taking 100 grams of GNC's Monohydrate creatine, and stated thats why i look the way i do and have massive pumps lmao, what a joke, toxins just pooring into his liver!
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