Weak gains from test after 3 cycles, should I try a different compound or give up?

[FlyMolo]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

Not anywhere to the extent you are thinking. And the more untrained you are the more you will put on without working. If you had multiple years of good training and adding muscle before using gear, good luck putting on more than even a pound of lbm without training the whole time.

Your training isn't reflective of your goals. The guy your listening to for training advice is neither strong nor has an impressive physique.

You seem to be under the impression that AAS is a magical elixir which in fact it isn't.

 

[Roush]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

This is true.. But you'd put on about 6 pounds in 1 year .. Whoopdy do.. I put on 40 lbs in 6 months while maintaining decent bf%. Big difference,, Why.. Cause of optimal diet and training and running a proper cycle.
You get back what you put in to your cycle -- If it's anything but optimal your results will be anything but optimal

 

[Southernfish]

Man oh man. My friend, Ive scanned through this thread and am amazed at how many knowledgeable guys there are here giving their .02 and you listening to none of that advice.

There are two reason why you arent seeing happen what you want to see happen with your cycles.

1. Your diet isnt correct
2. Your training isnt correct

I dont believe one of these is more important than the other, they are BOTH the most important. You wanna make your muscles grow? You need to get to the gym and WORK!!! Not a couple little things here and there you need to PUT IN WORK. Its not easy, its hard work, that a lot of people dont wanna do. Next, after youve done work in the gym you need to get into the kitchen and WORK again. I wrote work in capitals because it is just that, fuckin hard work man, your body doesnt want to build muscle. You have to force it to, which isnt easy for most people.

You dont have to post your diet for us to know that your nutrition is off, and I dont mean this to come off negatively by any means. But, you need to hear it. And as far as your training, youre never gonna make muscles grow doing what your doing. I could write pages and pages of things for you but seeing whats going on in this thread I dont think it will do any good.

Listen man, you dont need drugs, especially more drugs. What you need to do is go back to the drawing board and start to put you mind to work and educate yourself on what actually is, because i see a lot of things you think arent leading you to where you wanna be, training wise.

If your serious about building muscle starting teaching yourself about training and nutrition. They are both very complex things thats take a lot of time to figure out. And i put these two subjects as equal as they go hand in hand with eachother, one doesnt work without the other.

And, like I said, im not trying to come of like a prick, thats not my intension. But when you come to a place with a question for people that have been around the block in this game it would be wise to listen to the advice they have.

 

[Bigboss12]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

If people grow the way you think they do on steroids without a good diet or training why would anyone strive to have the best workout and training. All these experts always say diet then training then steroids are the order of importance. These people are way smart then me and I'm sure as hell they are smarter then you. If you didn't have to workout or eat right and you could still get great gains while on steroids most people wouldn't lift or diet correctly because it wouldn't be necessary. The reason everyone diets and trains right is so they can get the best possible results not just mediocre results.

 

[tury694]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

That is correct, you do grow a lot, but when you add a heavy exercise load you grow more. There is no debating this bud. You did not make great gains, but at the same time you did not look bad in your pics posted after your first cycle. Maybe you do not react well to AAS like you said, but complaining about it will get you no where. Your training volume was not good, even natties need more training than that. Food intake can also be a problem because a person who does not eat enough food will not grow no matter how many grams of gear they run. I don't really know what answer you were looking for here.

 

[DucBase]

I don't really know what answer you were looking for here.

I think he's wanting someone to tell him to run a gram of some 19nor with his test and everything will be fine...I think.

It's clear he does not want his optimum diet or perfect training regimen critiqued.

 

[tury694]

I think he's wanting someone to tell him to run a gram of some 19nor with his test and everything will be fine...I think.

It's clear he doesn't not want his optimum diet or perfect training regimen critiqued.

Probably but he picked a bad forum if he doesn't want criticism

 

[Roush]

OP. - Question: How much alcohol do you consume ?

 

[49ER]

Ya now im confused not sure anyone will satisfy what he wants to here

 

[juced_porkchop]

You know, if he is "resistant" to anabolic steroids, maybe he should shift gears and try using prohormones or SARMS?

prohormones are worst idea IMO. and he is NOT risistant... yes receptor amount may vary person to person but he is a human and hes still alive so he has enough receptors IMO.... if anything add deca or maste with the test... but i really feel its other issues that come down to changing up workouts and finding what works better for op's body and diet tweeks.. not gear IMO

 

[juced_porkchop]

That is correct, you do grow a lot, but when you add a heavy exercise load you grow more. There is no debating this bud. You did not make great gains, but at the same time you did not look bad in your pics posted after your first cycle. Maybe you do not react well to AAS like you said, but complaining about it will get you no where. Your training volume was not good, even natties need more training than that. Food intake can also be a problem because a person who does not eat enough food will not grow no matter how many grams of gear they run. I don't really know what answer you were looking for here.

he wants to hear ( just take this)... not the thing though...
i know guy that didnt train well and didnt eat all that great... used same lab as me... looked like he didnt do a cycle, just got a puffy face...
OP im telling you right now.. focus on diet and training... google and research a decent one called: "DC Training" and google "healthy calorie dense food"

 

[bobbywest213]

Idiots who don't know who Lyle McDonald is trying to give me advice. I'm out of here.

 

[Roush]

Idiots who don't know who Lyle McDonald is trying to give me advice. I'm out of here.

Keep doing what your doing if you wanna look like Lyle McDonald lol

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[tury694]

Idiots who don't know who Lyle McDonald is trying to give me advice. I'm out of here.

I never addressed this, but Lyle McDonald is full of shit. I know who that little turd is and everything coming out of his mouth is bullshit. Now everything has been addressed and you don't want to listen to anyone anyways. I am glad that you have gotten shitty gains and you should quit trying to lift because you don't have any heart for this lifestyle my man. I was being nice, but I gotta call bullshit on you and your approach to this. There is no dose of AAS that can fix a weak mind, weak heart, and no desire.

 

[PresTex]

Idiots who don't know who Lyle McDonald is trying to give me advice. I'm out of here.

Lyle is an insufferable cunt.....And it appears you take after him. With your training and your attitude.

 

[Roush]

OP - everyone on this forum sees what the glaringly obvious issue and problem is besides you.
So your either hard headed, ignorant, or just plain lazy .. I'm guessing it's all 3

 

[Southernfish]

Idiots who don't know who Lyle McDonald is trying to give me advice. I'm out of here.

Do you want want to learn and further advance in what you doing. What tou have been doing isnt working, you said so yourself. Why dont you open uo your mind and take some advice from some guys whove been doing this a while?

I dont get it.

 

[49ER]

We have a strong candidate for tard of the month its looking good here

 

[bobbywest213]

Ok then. Im sorry if i offended anyone, i appreciate you taking the time to respond to my thread, however i will not tqke your advice. No one can convince me that working q muscle twice a week for a totql of twelve sets or more six of which are max effort is inadequate volume. Maybe it is for some people on gear, for me it wasnt. i didnt feel my recovery to be much improved in any of my three cycles and like I said I tried higher volume on my first cycle. Some stupid things were said in this thread by a couple of people but whatever. im sorry if i ofended you.

 

[Southernfish]

Ok then. Im sorry if i offended anyone, i appreciate you taking the time to respond to my thread, however

I dont think you offended anyone. But your looking for some advice and some guys have some for you so take it, try it, see what works for you. Figure out nutritional strategies and training strategies to give you what you want. Google anything and everything and read then try everything youve read and keep whats good and throw out whats bad. This shit takes YEARS to learn and get dialed in so be preparred for a long journey but put your mind to it and listen to people who have been doing this longer than you have. Gettin bent outta shape isnt going to help you.