Weak gains from test after 3 cycles, should I try a different compound or give up?

[PrinceDianabol]

Not trying to hijack this thread but my AST and ALT values always come up high even though I don't drink or use any drugs other than gear (no oral AAS either). They were high before I started using gear and the last blood test they were higher still. I picked up udca and will be running it, but is it ever normal to have high values?

Some people just have higher values. My AST and ALT were always at top of the range, or slightly over. Until the dbol raped my values and I started smashing NAC lol. 3grams daily, two weeks later my values came back middle/bottom of the range... best they've ever been. I'll just stay on 1200mg NAC now as part of my supplement regime.

 

[Havasu]

The blood test he ordered is capped at that level. I see a bunch of idiots post that same number all over forums lol. If he ordered the correct blood test and that is his score then his dealer is a fucking scumbag because that is the most underdosed gear I have heard of lol

You know what, I was skimming through and completely missed that. This guy needs to get a clue instead of just being defensinve

 

[49ER]

Smoothie a day keeps the liver values at bayView attachment 561093

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Smoothie a day keeps the liver values at bayView attachment 561093

Lol tren mast and banana smoothie?

 

[49ER]

Lol tren mast and banana smoothie?

Yes see hkw the smoothie has a tint to it thats the tren lol

 

[cybrsage]

You know, if he is "resistant" to anabolic steroids, maybe he should shift gears and try using prohormones or SARMS?

 

[49ER]

You know, if he is "resistant" to anabolic steroids, maybe he should shift gears and try using prohormones or SARMS?

I dont think hes resistant i react the same to test im very sensitive to estro, he looked like he was in great condition before running a gram

 

[PrinceDianabol]

You know, if he is "resistant" to anabolic steroids, maybe he should shift gears and try using prohormones or SARMS?

SARMs and prohormones both work via the androgen receptor anyway, even if he had some form of androgen insensitivity syndrome he'd still be fucked.

 

[halfwit]

The test is capped at that level I am assuming. I have seen that number very often lol. Can you confirm OP, or does your gear truly suck?

1500ng/dL is the cap for all the non-sensitive assays I've ever seen. Unless it's a European cap that's converted from nmol/L..?

Ive never ever ran those supplements i believe in fruit snoothies pineapple, blue berries , banana, spurilina ect.... there was actually a thread in a forum i got banned from lol but some guy had fu ked up blood work and was questioning one of those supps u just mentioned i dont recall if it was tudca or the otheer one. I put that on my baby i dont take any supps for liver unless its tea, im not saying there not useful i just dont think any of us abuse orals enough to even need them. I didn't mention i was also on superdrol when i got blood work for life insurance, the only thing i did was take lisinopril just to make sure my bp wasnt high, other than that im a pretty healthy guy past his mid 30's
i still wanna have sex with you by the way

You may just have a really strong liver. I have done labs many times, and my liver isn't so robust without help. Probably another bonus from my awesome experience with opiates for several years - all that acetaminophen had to do something.

Sex is definitely still on; but only if you make some post-sex smoothies first.

 

[halfwit]

Not trying to hijack this thread but my AST and ALT values always come up high even though I don't drink or use any drugs other than gear (no oral AAS either). They were high before I started using gear and the last blood test they were higher still. I picked up udca and will be running it, but is it ever normal to have high values?

D'oh, missed this page lol. I blame the lollipop upgrade!

You probably have a sensitive liver as really anything metabolized by it can elevate enzymes. Just take NAC year-round, and they should drop down. UDCA is my last resort if NAC and liv52 can't fix it first.

 

[cybrsage]

I posted, in another thread somewhere, that studies have shown TUDCA to actually be more effective than UDCA for liver protection and repair. I am running both NAC and TUDCA and my levels dropped dramatically from just running NAC alone. I will dig up the blood work for both and add it in an edit to this post.

 

[Charles Bronson]

if i ran tren year round...

your must have the liver of a god

 

[bobbywest213]

My training is in line with Lyle McDonald's recommendations first of all. Second, I really didn't want to say this on a steroid forum because I know how insecure everyone is but steroids cause muscle growth even in the absence of training. So are the protein recommendations for steroid users btw. I was eating I think around 250g on my first cycle and all it does is make it hard for me to reach my calorie target.

Even if my training was shitty, it really wouldn't matter much at a gram of test plus dbol. Another thing that you need to keep in mind is that I have shitty genetics to begin with, which includes shitty recovery. I have been training for many years, enough to know when my body is recovered. I trained in the standard fashion with muscle groups once a week with 15-20 sets for many years before that with little progress. The style of training I use might not work for everyone but it works for me. And also to the guy that said I didn't know my body and couldn't tell if I was in a surplu, au contraire. I have been on diets for many years also and I'm in tune with my body and can definitely tell when I'm in a surplus or deficit.

The 1850 number was from my first cycle when I was on 500mg test, it was actually something like 1852, so it's not a capped result. I was on a gram this third cycle, and when I went to get a test it came out to something like >1500 so I just disregard it and didn't mention it.

Estrogen could potentially be the problem, I do retain a lot of water on cycle and last cycle I got it tested and it was a bit high. I increased my adex to 1mg per day after that and added the dbol and 100 mg propionate EOD(which I haven't mentioned). I made good gain during that last part of the cycle.

 

[Steroid Understudy]

You mentioned resposiveness to test as it applies to your naturally hight test - body hair and voice are genetically determined. Testosterone is a secondary factor. Just my nickel.

 

[FlyMolo]

My training is in line with Lyle McDonald's recommendations first of all. Second, I really didn't want to say this on a steroid forum because I know how insecure everyone is but steroids cause muscle growth even in the absence of training. So are the protein recommendations for steroid users btw. I was eating I think around 250g on my first cycle and all it does is make it hard for me to reach my calorie target.

Even if my training was shitty, it really wouldn't matter much at a gram of test plus dbol. Another thing that you need to keep in mind is that I have shitty genetics to begin with, which includes shitty recovery. I have been training for many years, enough to know when my body is recovered. I trained in the standard fashion with muscle groups once a week with 15-20 sets for many years before that with little progress. The style of training I use might not work for everyone but it works for me. And also to the guy that said I didn't know my body and couldn't tell if I was in a surplu, au contraire. I have been on diets for many years also and I'm in tune with my body and can definitely tell when I'm in a surplus or deficit.

The 1850 number was from my first cycle when I was on 500mg test, it was actually something like 1852, so it's not a capped result. I was on a gram this third cycle, and when I went to get a test it came out to something like >1500 so I just disregard it and didn't mention it.

Estrogen could potentially be the problem, I do retain a lot of water on cycle and last cycle I got it tested and it was a bit high. I increased my adex to 1mg per day after that and added the dbol and 100 mg propionate EOD(which I haven't mentioned). I made good gain during that last part of the cycle.

This is the guy your training advice is coming from:

Just think about that for a second.

Next let's consider the fact that you want an aesthetic physique yet train under a more strength oriented program. Maybe you should listen to some different training principles from other people.

Your diet. You say you hit the protein and got your cals in. Well that's good. But I know if I eat too many certain kinds of carbs along with a higher sodium intake I'll look like a bag of ass despite being low body fat. Take those away and suddenly I have abs again and I didn't even drop calories. If you are sensitive to estro and water gain you really have to also watch foods that cause bloat.

Next is your cycles. If you really think test isn't working for you then you have to experiment. No one here has the body you do. We can give you safe guidelines as to how to run stuff but as for the dosages and which compounds you might respond much different. Why not for your next one run an hrt dose of test and try another compound out. If you think you can handle the sides of tren try that. Or pick any other minimal aromatizing compound and run that.

And of course can't forget your recovery. Do you stretch post workout every workout? Do you foam roll pre and post workout? Have you ever gotten a therapeutic massage before? These things can really help decrease recovery time between workouts.

BTW 1852 still seems low to me for 500 mg a week. Not as insanely low as a if you were on a gram like people originally though before you cleared that up. But still low.

Anyways nobody here is trying to attack you or bring you down bro. Everybody here genuinely likes helping people that's why they respond and take part in this forum. It just seems you are very eager to try and change anything about your cycles but think your diet and training are infallible and don't need to be touched.

 

[tury694]

My training is in line with Lyle McDonald's recommendations first of all. Second, I really didn't want to say this on a steroid forum because I know how insecure everyone is but steroids cause muscle growth even in the absence of training. So are the protein recommendations for steroid users btw. I was eating I think around 250g on my first cycle and all it does is make it hard for me to reach my calorie target.

Even if my training was shitty, it really wouldn't matter much at a gram of test plus dbol. Another thing that you need to keep in mind is that I have shitty genetics to begin with, which includes shitty recovery. I have been training for many years, enough to know when my body is recovered. I trained in the standard fashion with muscle groups once a week with 15-20 sets for many years before that with little progress. The style of training I use might not work for everyone but it works for me. And also to the guy that said I didn't know my body and couldn't tell if I was in a surplu, au contraire. I have been on diets for many years also and I'm in tune with my body and can definitely tell when I'm in a surplus or deficit.

The 1850 number was from my first cycle when I was on 500mg test, it was actually something like 1852, so it's not a capped result. I was on a gram this third cycle, and when I went to get a test it came out to something like >1500 so I just disregard it and didn't mention it.

Estrogen could potentially be the problem, I do retain a lot of water on cycle and last cycle I got it tested and it was a bit high. I increased my adex to 1mg per day after that and added the dbol and 100 mg propionate EOD(which I haven't mentioned). I made good gain during that last part of the cycle.

500 my of test go in you 1852 ng/dl is too low. Stop buying your gear from whoever is selling that shit. Yes AAS makes you grow even if you don't train or eat properly. When you add food and training you get greater results. What is your point?

 

[DucBase]

Shit gear IMO. That's more like my peak TT levels on TRT. Especially if it is still giving you debilitating PIP after 3 cycles.

I don't get stronger when I don't lift though...Maybe my gear is shit too.

 

[Onk]

500 my of test go in you 1852 ng/dl is too low. Stop buying your gear from whoever is selling that shit. Yes AAS makes you grow even if you don't train or eat properly. When you add food and training you get greater results. What is your point?

he was looking for an excuse to call us insecure.

 

[bobbywest213]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

 

[Wrasse02]

I really didn't come here to argue with people. I was looking for an answer to a question and I think I got it. My point was that people who apparently don't know their ass from their face (not everybody in this thread) criticizing my training when the reality is that when you take gear you grow even if you don't train at all.

Yeah, barely...


which is what you did. Barely grow.
So start taking the advice from these posts.