Westshore's first TRT bloodwork is in.....Highish Test. Sadly low FSH / LH

[Westshore]

OK, gents...take a look. Is my doc gonna pull back my Test. Cyp. dose? I'm running at 1,197. I'm up over 900 ng/dL.

What to do about LH/FSH?

Dose: Test Cyp at 100 mg per week (200 mg/cc).
Starting last Sunday I did .25 cc ...so I'm still at 100 mg per week but splitting the dose (Sundays and Wednesdays).
Blood was drawn 24 hours after .25 cc injection for these lab results

My next blood draw is tomorrow for my doctor. That will be 84 hours after my Sunday .25 mg dose. But I wanted to have my own results before my appointment to discuss with you all and look at what to ask for next.

Thanks

 

[Chiefy]

Your LH and FSH are supposed to be close to non-existent while on exogenous testosterone. That's a very normal finding and nothing to worry about. Your doctor probably won't even test for those since he'll expect them to be borderline unmeasurable.

 

[Havasu]

OK, gents...take a look. Is my doc gonna pull back my Test. Cyp. dose? I'm running at 1,197. I'm up over 900 ng/dL.

What to do about LH/FSH?

Dose: Test Cyp at 100 mg per week (200 mg/cc).
Starting last Sunday I did .25 cc ...so I'm still at 100 mg per week but splitting the dose (Sundays and Wednesdays).
Blood was drawn 24 hours after .25 cc injection for these lab results

My next blood draw is tomorrow for my doctor. That will be 84 hours after my Sunday .25 mg dose. But I wanted to have my own results before my appointment to discuss with you all and look at what to ask for next.

Thanks

That's your peak level, he should be more concerned about your trough level. If your peak is 1172, but your trough is 500 that peak doesn't do you all that much (However, I doubt you'll drop that low 2.5 days after.. You want to minimize peaks and valley's. And, if you're on TRT your FSH/LH will be low the rest of your life. While using exogenous Test your body shuts down it's natural production, which means your FSH, and LH will be low.

 

[Westshore]

Thanks Havasu--appreciate the response. But let's say I take some HCG as has been recommended by many. Will this shoot up my LH/FSH or will they remain low forever? I'm OK with the TRT for life--but I do want to keep as much of my original 271 ng/dL as possible. Just reading the benefits of some natural testosterone has me committed to doing whatever it takes to keep my natty test going for as long as possible.

 

[Westshore]

(That's your peak level, he should be more concerned about your trough level. If your peak is 1172, but your trough is 500 that peak doesn't do you all that much (However, I doubt you'll drop that low 2.5 days after.. You want to minimize peaks and valley's. )

I'm hoping to see the low side (trough) from tomorrow's blood work as it will be 3.5 days after my last injection -- the longest I'll go if I stick with the twice a week pins. I'm OK with twice a week. I just need to learn how to pin the delts and quads to mix up the sites.

 

[Mprtz]

Thanks Havasu--appreciate the response. But let's say I take some HCG as has been recommended by many. Will this shoot up my LH/FSH or will they remain low forever? I'm OK with the TRT for life--but I do want to keep as much of my original 271 ng/dL as possible. Just reading the benefits of some natural testosterone has me committed to doing whatever it takes to keep my natty test going for as long as possible.

Using HCG will not raise your LH/FSH, but it does mimic the action of LH in the testes, meaning it will keep some natural production going and will prevent or reduce testicular atrophy. Keeping your testes somewhat active should also increase your chances of recovery should you decide to go off TRT for some reason. Well worth it in my book.

The degree of benefit will depend somewhat on if you are primary or secondary hypogonadal.

 

[IMT staff]

^^^^ yes and suppression may not effect you at first, but it eventually will hinder aspects of your sex life and daily energy.

 

[Jimstigator]

You will not maintain virtually any natural production. HCG isn't LH - it just mimics it... so you won't see it on your bloodwork. Like those before me have said - if you run HCG, your balls are at least alive and ready to start producing naturally. Getting your pituitary to produce adequate levels of LH/FSH is normally the struggle for those who are secondary.

I can attest to what IMT says - after having added HCG to my protocol 10 months in - alot of things feel better.

-Jim

 

[Westshore]

Update: I'm having issues with atrophy and not happy about it.
I'm happy to go into the details--but the shrinkage is a problem -- it's uncomfortable. It's not even an aesthetic issue--more a physically problem that happens with small nuts and activities. I need to run some HCG

QUESTION: if my Dr. balks at the trifecta and won't script HCG--should I tell him that I'm going to run it anyways? I will be clear to avoid any mention of UGL suppliers or "running it on my own" since there is one of those "Life Rejuvenation Clinics" right down my street and they script HCG to everyone. I just tell him that I'm going there for HCG.

Is that a good way to go? Or should I go it on my own and balance two clinics and three sets of blood work on my own?

 

[Alpin]

You have no idea how this stuff works I see.
It is NORMAL to have suppressed LH/FSH while on TRT..
Westshore u need to become your own advocate and do research and only deal with knowledgeable docs who know what they are doing with TRT. Mind u there are not many..