What AI/pct for sarms only cycle?

[Zais]

Hi, I plan on doing following cycle

1-12 mk-2866 25mg/day
1-12 lgd-4033 10mg/day
5-12 hcgenerate
13-16 mini pct
hcgenerate + AI

If you guys could recommend an AI and give advice if I should add/subtract anything pct/recovery wise, would be thankful.
(got hcgenerate and liquidex recommended but dont know if they are just trying to sell me)

cheers

 

[PrinceDianabol]

SARMs do not aromatize. You don't need an AI.

For pct something like Clomid 50ng ed or eod for four weeks should be plenty... But as always it cant hurt to do more. Hcgenerate is useless. Using any AI (liquidex) on this cycle will crash your e2. No need for either.

 

[jozifp103]

Hi, I plan on doing following cycle

1-12 mk-2866 25mg/day
1-12 lgd-4033 10mg/day
5-12 hcgenerate
13-16 mini pct
hcgenerate + AI

If you guys could recommend an AI and give advice if I should add/subtract anything pct/recovery wise, would be thankful.
(got hcgenerate and liquidex recommended but dont know if they are just trying to sell me)

cheers

exactly. sarms do not aromatize, but they do elevate estrogen slightly through a different mechanism. This elevation is not enough to need an ai. However, a FULL pct should be done as osta is supressive and lgd will shut you down completely just like AAS. the classic clomid/nolva combo will be fine.

 

[Zais]

exactly. sarms do not aromatize, but they do elevate estrogen slightly through a different mechanism. This elevation is not enough to need an ai. However, a FULL pct should be done as osta is supressive and lgd will shut you down completely just like AAS. the classic clomid/nolva combo will be fine.

Ty guys for answer, this wil be my first cycle so didnt know that. Was recommended it by Dylan from the EF forum if you know who that is.
Was he only trying to sell stuff to me? Well, could you tell me why hcgenerate is useless, ive heard its really good from diffrent sources..

But the most important question now what dosing protocol would be for clomid, nolva combo? Is it the same as normal test cycle or...

thx for any help!

 

[Zais]

Also im thinking of making the cycle shorter... Im a little afraid I guess of the suppression of LGD and starting to think the cycle I got recommended was just to get me to buy as much as possible.

Pondering on:
1-8 LGD-4033 5mg
1-8 osta 25mg
1-8 som test booster ?
mini pct 9-11
nolva and clomid

Something im missing?
thx again

 

[jozifp103]

Ty guys for answer, this wil be my first cycle so didnt know that. Was recommended it by Dylan from the EF forum if you know who that is.
Was he only trying to sell stuff to me? Well, could you tell me why hcgenerate is useless, ive heard its really good from diffrent sources..

But the most important question now what dosing protocol would be for clomid, nolva combo? Is it the same as normal test cycle or...

thx for any help!

yes he is trying to sell you stuff. he probably works for n2bm. hcgenerate has it's place as a natty test booster, but when mixing with potent chemicals like sarms and aas it is useless. natural test boosters work better as aphrodisiacs than actual test boosters. clomid should be 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20, same as an aas cycle.

Also im thinking of making the cycle shorter... Im a little afraid I guess of the suppression of LGD and starting to think the cycle I got recommended was just to get me to buy as much as possible.

Pondering on:
1-8 LGD-4033 5mg
1-8 osta 25mg
1-8 som test booster ?
mini pct 9-11
nolva and clomid

Something im missing?
thx again

8 weeks is the longest i would run a sarm for as there is not much research on cycles longer than that. 8 weeks is standard for sarms. drop the test booster while on because it wont do anything. pct should be 4 weeks with the dosages i stated above. lgd shuts you down just as hard as aas. you can't really overdo pct.

 

[Zais]

yes he is trying to sell you stuff. he probably works for n2bm. hcgenerate has it's place as a natty test booster, but when mixing with potent chemicals like sarms and aas it is useless. natural test boosters work better as aphrodisiacs than actual test boosters. clomid should be 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20, same as an aas cycle.



8 weeks is the longest i would run a sarm for as there is not much research on cycles longer than that. 8 weeks is standard for sarms. drop the test booster while on because it wont do anything. pct should be 4 weeks with the dosages i stated above. lgd shuts you down just as hard as aas. you can't really overdo pct.

wow you thank you.. thank you really helpful. Thought something was strange when he suggested all that from n2bm..
Feels better now. One last question. Why not have anything supportive during cycle? And I guess if gyno/low test signs appear during cycle I should do some "low dosing of nolva" to prevent further estrogen effects until it subsides?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

exactly. sarms do not aromatize, but they do elevate estrogen slightly through a different mechanism. This elevation is not enough to need an ai. However, a FULL pct should be done as osta is supressive and lgd will shut you down completely just like AAS. the classic clomid/nolva combo will be fine.

Interesting. Wasn't aware that LGD is that suppressive. Thanks for the correction bro.

Is Osta the same? I was under the impression all SARMs were only slightly suppressive (not causing full shutdown in most people.)

 

[jozifp103]

wow you thank you.. thank you really helpful. Thought something was strange when he suggested all that from n2bm..
Feels better now. One last question. Why not have anything supportive during cycle? And I guess if gyno/low test signs appear during cycle I should do some "low dosing of nolva" to prevent further estrogen effects until it subsides?

if you are really worried about gyno, keep nolva on hand. But like I said the rise in estro is very small, but theres nothing wrong with playing it safe. Anything you take to increase testosterone will not work while you are on suppressive compounds though.

 

[jozifp103]

Interesting. Wasn't aware that LGD is that suppressive. Thanks for the correction bro.

Is Osta the same? I was under the impression all SARMs were only slightly suppressive (not causing full shutdown in most people.)

Osta is moderately suppressive, it takes a while to completely shut you down. After 8 weeks for me I was about 1/3 suppressed. according to blood work.

Have never run LGD but all the info on it that I have read states that it shuts you down, and has a negative effect on lipids. I've always questioned how it is any safer than aas, maybe because of its selectivity and only targeting skeletal muscle?

 

[Zais]

Osta is moderately suppressive, it takes a while to completely shut you down. After 8 weeks for me I was about 1/3 suppressed. according to blood work.

Have never run LGD but all the info on it that I have read states that it shuts you down, and has a negative effect on lipids. I've always questioned how it is any safer than aas, maybe because of its selectivity and only targeting skeletal muscle?

Yes, thats one of the reasons I will take it instead of test. Since it doesnt convert to DHT etc.

Negative effect on lipids you say? That doesnt sound too promising :/
And more worried about the shut down during cycle, the side effects etc and that it will be harsh and hard to keep the gains during pct.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Osta is moderately suppressive, it takes a while to completely shut you down. After 8 weeks for me I was about 1/3 suppressed. according to blood work.

Have never run LGD but all the info on it that I have read states that it shuts you down, and has a negative effect on lipids. I've always questioned how it is any safer than aas, maybe because of its selectivity and only targeting skeletal muscle?

Thanks for the info man. Real interesting, I'm about to give Osta a run in the next few month... Good to know. Out of curiousity what were your TT levels before and mid osta cycle? I'll be doing bloods, and a full log too... Good to get the info out there.

@OP a couple grams of fish oil daily should take good care of your lipids.

 

[jozifp103]

Thanks for the info man. Real interesting, I'm about to give Osta a run in the next few month... Good to know. Out of curiousity what were your TT levels before and mid osta cycle? I'll be doing bloods, and a full log too... Good to get the info out there.

@OP a couple grams of fish oil daily should take good care of your lipids.

went from total t 700's to high 300's. (range was somewhere around 250-1100). this was @ 15mg/day for 8 weeks, not even the full 25mg. no pct was done though and i felt awful for a whole year afterwords. got more bloods a few months after osta and remained in the 400's. never really felt right after. throw in a few aas cycles, and bam you have a 25 year old on trt. (me). i suggest not using sarms as a bridge and treat them like any aas cycle.

i would compare osta to like 50mg of var imo. it really sucks everything in and makes your skin look tight. i used with a bulking diet and still managed to lean out on it. put on 7lbs, kept 4. ive run it 3 other times since from 2 different sources in total and got similar results from both.

 

[Zais]

went from total t 700's to high 300's. (range was somewhere around 250-1100). this was @ 15mg/day for 8 weeks, not even the full 25mg. no pct was done though and i felt awful for a whole year afterwords. got more bloods a few months after osta and remained in the 400's. never really felt right after. throw in a few aas cycles, and bam you have a 25 year old on trt. (me). i suggest not using sarms as a bridge and treat them like any aas cycle.

i would compare osta to like 50mg of var imo. it really sucks everything in and makes your skin look tight. i used with a bulking diet and still managed to lean out on it. put on 7lbs, kept 4. ive run it 3 other times since from 2 different sources in total and got similar results from both.

Damn.. didnt know osta could be that harsh. Why didnt you do a pct?

Which 2 places did you get them from? Im thinking I will buy at sarms1 but heard many diffrent things depending on where about sarms1/unique/sarmssearch.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

went from total t 700's to high 300's. (range was somewhere around 250-1100). this was @ 15mg/day for 8 weeks, not even the full 25mg. no pct was done though and i felt awful for a whole year afterwords. got more bloods a few months after osta and remained in the 400's. never really felt right after. throw in a few aas cycles, and bam you have a 25 year old on trt. (me). i suggest not using sarms as a bridge and treat them like any aas cycle.

i would compare osta to like 50mg of var imo. it really sucks everything in and makes your skin look tight. i used with a bulking diet and still managed to lean out on it. put on 7lbs, kept 4. ive run it 3 other times since from 2 different sources in total and got similar results from both.

Oh wow. Thanks for the insight brother. Had no idea it was that suppressive. I was thinking more along the lines of 100-200ng/dl drop. Hmm maybe I'll rethink throwing Osta in.
Any experience with S4?

I wonder if adding clomid to a SARMs cycle would provide any benefit... Wouldn't expect anything with AAS, but a mild S4 cycle including clomid could be interesting.

 

[jozifp103]

Damn.. didnt know osta could be that harsh. Why didnt you do a pct?

Which 2 places did you get them from? Im thinking I will buy at sarms1 but heard many diffrent things depending on where about sarms1/unique/sarmssearch.

ss first 2 times. Unique last 2.

Oh wow. Thanks for the insight brother. Had no idea it was that suppressive. I was thinking more along the lines of 100-200ng/dl drop. Hmm maybe I'll rethink throwing Osta in.
Any experience with S4?

I wonder if adding clomid to a SARMs cycle would provide any benefit... Wouldn't expect anything with AAS, but a mild S4 cycle including clomid could be interesting.

One of the times I ran osta was in pct along with torem and nolva and my nuts plumped right up and I "felt" recovered. I think alongside serms it won't suppress you honestly, but once I dropped the serms and continued the osta, nuts shrunk and libido dropped again.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

ss first 2 times. Unique last 2.


One of the times I ran osta was in pct along with torem and nolva and my nuts plumped right up and I "felt" recovered. I think alongside serms it won't suppress you honestly, but once I dropped the serms and continued the osta, nuts shrunk and libido dropped again.

Aaah yes.. I remember your log now. Yeah I always recommend leaving SARMs out of PCT for that very reason. They are being developed as a replacement to test injections for TRT so it wouldn't surprise me if they did make you feel normal/recovered during PCT.

Im getting bloods done next week, then ill start a S4 and clomid cycle and get bloods a few weeks into it... See what we can find out. Would be a great protocol if we could potentially counter any suppression with clomid.

 

[jozifp103]

Aaah yes.. I remember your log now. Yeah I always recommend leaving SARMs out of PCT for that very reason. They are being developed as a replacement to test injections for TRT so it wouldn't surprise me if they did make you feel normal/recovered during PCT.

Im getting bloods done next week, then ill start a S4 and clomid cycle and get bloods a few weeks into it... See what we can find out. Would be a great protocol if we could potentially counter any suppression with clomid.

great idea man. there's still so little info out there on these compounds. it's all just word of mouth. It would be nice to get some solid information with some blood work.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

great idea man. there's still so little info out there on these compounds. it's all just word of mouth. It would be nice to get some solid information with some blood work.

Agreed. Will be good to get some solid info with bloodwork out there to back it up. You've done your bit haha time for me to pitch in