What did old body builders take?

[bhumik]

I am trying to read up on the cycles used by old bodybuilders like arnold or mike mentzer.. i read somewhere they would do deca and dbol. and at very low doses. is that true//???

if tehy used DBOL how come they never looked bloated,, ?? everytime i use dbol or tbol I hold a lot of bloat even if i use nolva or letro. At first i thought maybe its jsut my body type and i hold water easily but then again almost every bodybuilder back in the days seemed to have no bloat..

MOST OF THEM also had a complete set of hair and i am sure they didnt have the spiro cream or minoxidil solution.

What were their cycles like?? how long did they stay on. what did they use?

Is there a book about htis anywhere?

Thank you
B

 

[ManOfMuscle]

if tehy used DBOL how come they never looked bloated,, ?? e
B

I've been wondering this myself?

 

[kenshiro]

tbol doesn't cause bloat...at least to me...i get good strength gains but mass wise is rather slow

 

[bhumik]

tbol doesn't cause bloat...at least to me...i get good strength gains but mass wise is rather slow

maybe it was fake DBOL?? i dont know but my face looked round as hell and i put on about 6 lbs in a week.

I just want to build the perfect body .. for me a body of mike mentzner is what i want to achieve.. I will do ANYTHING , to get there. I mean anything. But i dont know where to go for advice??

i like forums , they helped me a lot, but there are many times i feel like the afvice is given out by people who arent that well informed.

 

[kenshiro]

maybe it was fake DBOL?? i dont know but my face looked round as hell and i put on about 6 lbs in a week.

I just want to build the perfect body .. for me a body of mike mentzner is what i want to achieve.. I will do ANYTHING , to get there. I mean anything. But i dont know where to go for advice??

i like forums , they helped me a lot, but there are many times i feel like the afvice is given out by people who arent that well informed.

tbol NOT dbol, turinabol...the Germany thing. its not as strong as dianabol but i'm happy with it.

 

[brooklynheight]

I am trying to read up on the cycles used by old bodybuilders like arnold or mike mentzer.. i read somewhere they would do deca and dbol. and at very low doses. is that true//???

if tehy used DBOL how come they never looked bloated,, ?? everytime i use dbol or tbol I hold a lot of bloat even if i use nolva or letro. At first i thought maybe its jsut my body type and i hold water easily but then again almost every bodybuilder back in the days seemed to have no bloat..

MOST OF THEM also had a complete set of hair and i am sure they didnt have the spiro cream or minoxidil solution.

What were their cycles like?? how long did they stay on. what did they use?

Is there a book about htis anywhere?

Thank you
B

u will never get a solid answer...threads like this have been posted a thousand times..

 

[Insane_Man]

Celltech

 

[02gixxersix]

If tbol made you look bloated and gain 6 lbs in a week it was probably dbol. They also probably didnt consume the amount of sodium a person in today's world would.

 

[HeHateMe]

u will never get a solid answer...threads like this have been posted a thousand times..

I agree. The thought that top bodybuilders of the past gained off the minimalist of steroids is erroneous to a certain extent IMO. Of course, more emphasis was put on proportion and overall aesthetic appeal back then (which can be achieved with lesser amounts of drugs) versus size, size, and more size basically being the top criteria nowadays.

Keep in mind that bodybuilders of the past had very easy access to genuine top grade pharmaceuticals at unthinkably low prices. How many top level bodybuilders would resist the urge to experiment with larger doses with this being the case? Not many if you ask me. And they're certainly not going to admit to using large amounts.

 

[Deepglute]

The following was taken from Trevor Smith's magazine, "GEAR U.Z.R." from a few years ago. The anonymous author went by the pen name "deep injection":

Steroid use over the past 40 years has gone through a pletho-
ra of changes and it is often interesting to hear what people's
opinions are in terms of what was taken and how much.
Having been around the scene for such a long period of time I can
tell you that I have EXACT knowledge on what was done for the
past 40 years. Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.
1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazing-
ly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott,
Howorth, Oitiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether
they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It
was only in the latter part of the 60's that Deca was added to the
D-bol. Typically during this era, the bodybuilders would stay on
maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8
months off.
1970's: The D-Bol and Deca was still the preferred stack in the
early part of the 70's and in fact, most bodybuilders would use this
stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the con-
test. As the decade progressed, other stacks were experimented
with such as Anadrol/Anavar....Deca/Winstrol. ..and Arnold's per-
sonal favorite: Primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of
the decade, thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented
with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in body-
building, the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out
of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.

 

[berealjohn]

I am trying to read up on the cycles used by old bodybuilders like arnold or mike mentzer.. i read somewhere they would do deca and dbol. and at very low doses. is that true//???

if tehy used DBOL how come they never looked bloated,, ?? everytime i use dbol or tbol I hold a lot of bloat even if i use nolva or letro. At first i thought maybe its jsut my body type and i hold water easily but then again almost every bodybuilder back in the days seemed to have no bloat..

MOST OF THEM also had a complete set of hair and i am sure they didnt have the spiro cream or minoxidil solution.

What were their cycles like?? how long did they stay on. what did they use?

Is there a book about htis anywhere?

Thank you
B

D-bol, D-bol & more D-bol in my neck of the sticks "the breakfast of champions" The dosages were 10mg/day 2 wks,20mg/day, 30mg/day 2 wk, then off 6wk start again. This was protocol in the dungeon where I trained back in the 70’s. I didn't know a damn thing about bloat...lol. We just thought the bloat getting big gains. I remember one time, it about year after I had jumping on the band wagon. A lady friend of mine looked down at my genitalia and replied "you have a nice hammer but where your nuz" no shit! I said I had been swimming, but we still broke-up after that...lol.

 

[berealjohn]

The following was taken from Trevor Smith's magazine, "GEAR U.Z.R." from a few years ago. The anonymous author went by the pen name "deep injection":

Steroid use over the past 40 years has gone through a pletho-
ra of changes and it is often interesting to hear what people's
opinions are in terms of what was taken and how much.
Having been around the scene for such a long period of time I can
tell you that I have EXACT knowledge on what was done for the
past 40 years. Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.
1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazing-
ly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott,
Howorth, Oitiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether
they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It
was only in the latter part of the 60's that Deca was added to the
D-bol. Typically during this era, the bodybuilders would stay on
maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8
months off.
1970's: The D-Bol and Deca was still the preferred stack in the
early part of the 70's and in fact, most bodybuilders would use this
stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the con-
test. As the decade progressed, other stacks were experimented
with such as Anadrol/Anavar....Deca/Winstrol. ..and Arnold's per-
sonal favorite: Primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of
the decade, thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented
with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in body-
building, the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out
of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.

Glute you ever have that problem? You right about the 3or 4 5mg pill debate. The first time I meet Platz a local show I was in, he gave a seminar. I respect him for his honest. I told us tell truth about AAS. Quoting him “ignorance is dangerous”. I have met 20 or more big names and he was the only one to tell the truth. Mr. Legs! I respect him even though he wasn't but 5'2" in stature.

 

[bhumik]

Glute you ever have that problem? You right about the 3or 4 5mg pill debate. The first time I meet Platz a local show I was in, he gave a seminar. I respect him for his honest. I told us tell truth about AAS. Quoting him “ignorance is dangerous”. I have met 20 or more big names and he was the only one to tell the truth. Mr. Legs! I respect him even though he wasn't but 5'2" in stature.

So what did platz say about AAS.

Hmm. this deca dbol stack looks good. but again how come all of them looked not bloated if they were using dbol. does Dbol really not cause any bloat at a very low dose/???
also do u know what dose of deca did htey use.
thats cool though.. maybe i should take a conservative aapproach. i used to think like hmm 28 days of dbol i have 1500 mg so i am going to dose at 50 mg /day.

you guy s think that cutting back on the amount of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) , i would still make gains. what i mean was that for my last cycle i used 50 mg of dbol.
if for my next cycle if i use 20 mg of dbol owuld that be a problem?/

 

[Warmachine]

bhumik you want test in that cycle to maintain your libido. dbol at 20mg doesnt bloat me much at all and i think its a good dose. if you have 50mg pills just cut them in half.

 

[kenshiro]

those who can't handle bloat can try tbol...so far no signs of bloating and my strength went up significantly but massgains were slow though

 

[Deepglute]

but again how come all of them looked not bloated if they were using dbol?/

You must remember that the BBers of those days were never photographed unless they were in good condition. As the article I posted earlier stated, they would just drop the D-Bol 3 days from the show, or (photo shoot).

Wieder was the man trying to convince main stream young men that they could look like the BBers in his mag just by following the "Wieder Training Principles" and using Wieder supps. If his magazine subscribers knew they had to take drugs to look like those BBers, his mag sales would have plummeted.

 

[Insane_Man]

If his magazine subscribers knew they had to take drugs to look like those BBers, his mag sales would have plummeted.

Or, drug sales would have skyrocketed

 

[berealjohn]

You must remember that the BBers of those days were never photographed unless they were in good condition. As the article I posted earlier stated, they would just drop the D-Bol 3 days from the show, or (photo shoot).

Wieder was the man trying to convince main stream young men that they could look like the BBers in his mag just by following the "Wieder Training Principles" and using Wieder supps. If his magazine subscribers knew they had to take drugs to look like those BBers, his mag sales would have plummeted.

Exactly DeepGlutes! Now that you mentioned that, I do remember that Platz had not been in the almighty Weider spotlight much about that same time or after. Why do you think that there have been only 10 Olympia winners? Because it’s Joe’s show! Do as Joe say’s or you’re out!
Back then to do a show, we first of all we would always stay inside of 6weeks competition year around. Then cut calories to 2000/day 2 weeks, then 1500 a day for 2weeks, then 1000 a day for a week. The week of a show we started diuretics and ate Zero carbs for 3 days. Trained like hell with volume & reps as best we could considering our energy level. 4 days out eat nothing but carbs for next 3days and no sodium! The day of show eat nothing, take potassium tabs and drink a barrel of water. This method is how we dealt with bloat. After the show pass out! Very dangerous!!! post cycle therapy (pct) was only HCG for about 2 weeks @ 3000 ui/ 5 days.
The above is not conducive for good health in many man’s book. The game has come along way. You newcomers work smarter not harder. There’s a world of good info on the board.
IMHO, the BBer we look respect, would be on stage with or without AAS. Back in the day. It’s was in they’re genes, it’s in they’re heart!

 

[berealjohn]

So what did platz say about AAS.

Hmm. this deca dbol stack looks good. but again how come all of them looked not bloated if they were using dbol. does Dbol really not cause any bloat at a very low dose/???
also do u know what dose of deca did htey use.
thats cool though.. maybe i should take a conservative aapproach. i used to think like hmm 28 days of dbol i have 1500 mg so i am going to dose at 50 mg /day.

you guy s think that cutting back on the amount of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) , i would still make gains. what i mean was that for my last cycle i used 50 mg of dbol.
if for my next cycle if i use 20 mg of dbol owuld that be a problem?/

Platz told us everything known to him about AAS. What type to use, how many to use, when to use. Warmachine is giving you good advice about the Test & deca. I like 2:1 ratio

 

[bhumik]

cool thanks everyone..