What do you think about Clomid

[fit4life47]

Ok folks thanks to this site I was able to challenge my GP diagnosis of primary hypogonadal. I have seen an endocrinologist and he has confirmed that due to my LH and FSH being normal and T low, he agrees that I am secondary. So with that being said, I asked him about going on clomiphene before we move on to Nebido just to see if I can increase my T using my own boys. Has anyone else done this with success? Were you /are you able to stay on this long term or did this kick start your T to where you were able to come off this and not require T?

 

[IMT staff]

We think it raises T but does not alleviate symptoms.

 

[fit4life47]

We think it raises T but does not alleviate symptoms.

Ok but how can raising your T levels not alleviate symptoms if low T causes them... Im confused. ..I thought that having my testicles make the testosterone instead of injecting it would be best?

 

[jupiterlocal]

It makes me cry and call my ex wife to get back together. I started my PCT with 75MG and was advised to drop to 25/day.
I think it helped me, I am still a bitch though so maybe it was the clommy?

 

[Jimstigator]

It made me cry. BUT - it did bring my natural T up. I ended up using Nolvadex, similar drug, to accomplish the same thing with less sides (for me). After a 30 day run of Nolva, my TT was back to normal, and stayed that way for a few years. Then dropped again... so I used Nolva again. Kept up the circus for about 10 years before finally giving in to TRT.

-Jim

 

[Gfk]

Jim how old were you when you started the nolva? I'm 32 and in the same boat as OP and hoping I can use clomid to get my body producing more testosterone

 

[Jimstigator]

Jim how old were you when you started the nolva? I'm 32 and in the same boat as OP and hoping I can use clomid to get my body producing more testosterone

20, 24, 28... I believe. Had a number of stints with it before giving up. Nolva worked better for me than Clomid, with much less sides. The first two times I took 40mg a day for a month, which got my natural pumping for years before I crashed again...

-Jim

 

[thenotorious]

Maybe look into torem/aromasin/hcg restart..

 

[addy]

Ok folks thanks to this site I was able to challenge my GP diagnosis of primary hypogonadal. I have seen an endocrinologist and he has confirmed that due to my LH and FSH being normal and T low, he agrees that I am secondary. So with that being said, I asked him about going on clomiphene before we move on to Nebido just to see if I can increase my T using my own boys. Has anyone else done this with success? Were you /are you able to stay on this long term or did this kick start your T to where you were able to come off this and not require T?

I used clomid after discussing with some of the veterans and more knowledgable people here , i am 28 my TT was low and god knows for how many years it has been low .. so last year november i started taking clomid at 25 mg EOD my TT shot up by 350 points within a month .I used it for 6 months but recently when io stopped it my levels went back to the same . So i m guessing clomid is definitely gonna raise your TT and you will definitely feel your boys working but the real test would be after stopping it . But definitely worth a try .

 

[halfwit]

Ok folks thanks to this site I was able to challenge my GP diagnosis of primary hypogonadal. I have seen an endocrinologist and he has confirmed that due to my LH and FSH being normal and T low, he agrees that I am secondary. So with that being said, I asked him about going on clomiphene before we move on to Nebido just to see if I can increase my T using my own boys. Has anyone else done this with success? Were you /are you able to stay on this long term or did this kick start your T to where you were able to come off this and not require T?

Uhhhh, having a normal LH/FSH with low testosterone IS primary hypogonadism. You don't always see a crazy high LH, as that will vary from person to person, and depend on how long the individual has been hypogonadal.

By all means try a SERM restart, but I'd at least get blood work done a couple weeks in to see if the ratio between LH and testosterone improves. However, if you find yourself with double the LH, and almost the same testosterone - it's a safe bet that any other manipulation of the pituitary will be equally fruitless.

 

[Alpin]

Uhhhh, having a normal LH/FSH with low testosterone IS primary hypogonadism. You don't always see a crazy high LH, as that will vary from person to person, and depend on how long the individual has been hypogonadal.

By all means try a SERM restart, but I'd at least get blood work done a couple weeks in to see if the ratio between LH and testosterone improves. However, if you find yourself with double the LH, and almost the same testosterone - it's a safe bet that any other manipulation of the pituitary will be equally fruitless.

The docs I seen were adamant that LH and FSH would need to be elevated out of range to be a candidate for TRT....
Until otherwise..they told me u stick to your HCG mono and if it raises T by 100 ng/DL you are not primary and therefore should not be on TRT....lol
As "LH/FSH are considered normal" within range...
But you know more than them....lol
That's for sure.
Haha

 

[halfwit]

The docs I seen were adamant that LH and FSH would need to be elevated out of range to be a candidate for TRT....
Until otherwise..they told me u stick to your HCG mono and if it raises T by 100 ng/DL you are not primary and therefore should not be on TRT....lol
As "LH/FSH are considered normal" within range...
But you know more than them....lol
That's for sure.
Haha

I just know more than BAD doctors, which you've seen quite the abundance of. I wonder if the textbooks in med school give that as the definition or something; which is really counterintuitive to me.

LH is the signal to generate more testosterone, the testes (if working properly) receive this and get to work. This triggers the aromatase response through a metabolic pathway, which then sends another signal to the hypothalamus (I think? It's been awhile), which then tells the pituitary to back off as enough estradiol is present. If LH is steady, but testosterone is very low; either the person has an estradiol problem (obesity linked secondary likely), or the testes are not responding, and the pituitary has been screaming for more - but similar to how insulin resistance defeats the pancreas, it is no longer pushing for additional LH.

I think I read somewhere that is a primary-secondary mix, but the root cause is from being primary hypogonadal. That's why I kind of go against the grain a little when I see low test, with good values of the pituitary hormones - as that's the "bucket" I fall into.

Is a restart attempt worth it in that case? I think that if there isn't a red flag for primary, it can't hurt - but I am often skeptical of the results. If we only had an owner's manual for the human body, things would be so much easier for sure.

 

[Alpin]

I just know more than BAD doctors, which you've seen quite the abundance of. I wonder if the textbooks in med school give that as the definition or something; which is really counterintuitive to me.

LH is the signal to generate more testosterone, the testes (if working properly) receive this and get to work. This triggers the aromatase response through a metabolic pathway, which then sends another signal to the hypothalamus (I think? It's been awhile), which then tells the pituitary to back off as enough estradiol is present. If LH is steady, but testosterone is very low; either the person has an estradiol problem (obesity linked secondary likely), or the testes are not responding, and the pituitary has been screaming for more - but similar to how insulin resistance defeats the pancreas, it is no longer pushing for additional LH.

I think I read somewhere that is a primary-secondary mix, but the root cause is from being primary hypogonadal. That's why I kind of go against the grain a little when I see low test, with good values of the pituitary hormones - as that's the "bucket" I fall into.

Is a restart attempt worth it in that case? I think that if there isn't a red flag for primary, it can't hurt - but I am often skeptical of the results. If we only had an owner's manual for the human body, things would be so much easier for sure.

Not arguing with you.
Restart or not...
If your options are limited and you're dealing with alot of finicky docs that are more interested in getting you out the door without treatment...you're in a bind either way.

 

[IMT staff]

Ok but how can raising your T levels not alleviate symptoms if low T causes them... Im confused. ..I thought that having my testicles make the testosterone instead of injecting it would be best?

Just the way it is unfortunately. It could be that since Clomid acts like not only an anti-estrogen but also an estrogen in some tissues of the body.

 

[Jimstigator]

Ok but how can raising your T levels not alleviate symptoms if low T causes them... Im confused. ..I thought that having my testicles make the testosterone instead of injecting it would be best?

In my experience, once I got off the SERM (Nolva or Clomid), I did feel better. But when I was on them, even at a TT of 900, I didn't feel amazing. Nolva also raised my SHBG from 20 to 46... which made that high level of T feel not so high.

It all leveled off after a month of ceasing, and I felt great for years, but then crashed again.

-Jim

 

[fit4life47]

Ok folks I just completed 5 days of 50 mg a day. Not sure if it was a placebo effect because I was excited to start something or not but after 24 hours I felt/feel great.
my energy went through the roof compared to where it was and I could go on and on at the gym.
ED no more so I am excited about my bloods in two weeks LH, FSH, liver test. And then two weeks after that my doc wants to check my T levels. So what do you think I should add to his tests or is that all I need?
Can I get my estradiol checked or does clomid take care of elevated E? Ive read conflicting stories on this site or maybe I'm misunderstanding what I've read.
I'm asking for another 5 tablets because due to holidays both mine and my endocrinologist we will not be able to meet up until September some time.
How long do you think it will take if I'm going to crash? I'm hoping I can talk him into leaving me on this stuff for a while if it's working. What do you think?
Will I still have to manage other hormone levels while on this? I.e. aromatization