what do you think this guy is taking?

This woman worked out in our gym as well. She claims natural and I believe her, but I could see how some wouldn't. She's freaky big lower body and hella strong. 4 plate deadlift strong. But I've seen her progress over the last 15 years
 
This guy looks better than 99% of everyone here including you please don't tell me you think this is attainable first guy looks natural but he's not your pic looks nowhere near natural PALEASSSSSSE Who the fuck can get that low bf and hold that much muscle natural! Ha your gonna get mad and call me a hater I can feel it lol..... i will always speak up when I see bullshit that's a given
Why would I get mad. We're all entitled to an opinion.
 
Lol, not too hard for me to believe. I want to say I think he was 5-10 and competed around 180 lbs.
Some bros are natural mesomorphs and keep a good percentage of mass as they diet down.

Some guys on here look natural although they're juiced out of their mind. How can you explain that?

it's easy to explain some people just don't respond as good as others to hormones I'm one of them another reason could be my body fat is too high so the hormones probably don't like that very much either. There's alot of other reasons alot of us don't look up to par could be bunk hormones, bad diet, bad training. .... i have a bad diet bit even then if you look at me in person and really see size proportion in certain body parts you just know it's not natural.

And by the way there's no way that woman is natural it's not even possible for a woman to have a masculine body like that. I'm not saying she looks like a dude she looks good to good women cannot do that without help.

Back to the dude you posted he's competing as a natural so he's obviously not gonna push it too far he's on moderate doses bit still more than me and you. You don't get that lean and hold that much mass he looks too lean imo just not physically possible plus weight means nothing Lance Armstrong was juiced to the gills
 
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He's just extremely lean, would like to know his weight
There's dudes I see in my gym that are nomore then 165lbs comp ready natty but look like there easily 180lbs, it's the illusion part of it
it's when after comps they begin to put on some bf is when u begin to notice they are natural they don't have that sharp ass look as when they prep for a show,
 
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All I can say gents is I know these 2 peeps in the pics I posted. I see them workout over the course of several to quite a few years. In a gym with 100 regulars, we know who uses and who doesn't(didn't)
With that kind of dedication, there are few secrets to fellow gym goers. a lot of the shows they did were tested. The woman competed against non natural athletes in powerlifting comps. I agree, she doesn't look completely natty. If I hadn't known her for years I'd say she was on something.

But we all know people that are retarded strong before ever setting a foot inside gym. I just think some of us are closeminded about whats attainable for SOME people without drugs
 
He's just extremely lean, would like to know his weight
There's dudes I see in my gym that are nomore then 165lbs comp ready natty but look like there easily 180lbs, it's the illusion part of it
it's when after comps they begin to put on some bf is when u begin to notice they are natural they don't have that sharp ass look as when they prep for a show,

Hes around 180 lbs and 19-20 years old,he maintains that condition all year around and claims to train 7 days a week
 
All I can say gents is I know these 2 peeps in the pics I posted. I see them workout over the course of several to quite a few years. In a gym with 100 regulars, we know who uses and who doesn't(didn't)
With that kind of dedication, there are few secrets to fellow gym goers. a lot of the shows they did were tested. The woman competed against non natural athletes in powerlifting comps. I agree, she doesn't look completely natty. If I hadn't known her for years I'd say she was on something.

But we all know people that are retarded strong before ever setting a foot inside gym. I just think some of us are closeminded about whats attainable for SOME people without drugs

This is Franco when he was young, he had incredible genetics, one of the best back and upper chest in the whole bodybuilding history, strong as fuck, does he look impressive at all without drugs?
Check all the best bodybuilders off all times before drugs and none of them look even close to this guy the post is about

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He's just extremely lean, would like to know his weight
There's dudes I see in my gym that are nomore then 165lbs comp ready natty but look like there easily 180lbs, it's the illusion part of it
it's when after comps they begin to put on some bf is when u begin to notice they are natural they don't have that sharp ass look as when they prep for a show,

I've tried being nice to you but shut up already you of all people don't know shit, I can see guys in circles at the gym laughing and talking shit about you. Can you fucken read and listen stop going by weight!! It doesn't fucken matter look at your weight when your skinny as fuck that should show you it doesn't mean shit fuck your illusion shit when you actually take a good pic in a full length mirror your not fooling anyone!

Look how much muscle you lost in your cut pic! Your on tons of tren now imagine someone cutting that much fat natural it's not gonna happen. Matt you don't know much about anything nobody in there right mind would tell you they juice your crazy as fuck and would probably follow them home rape there 17yr old sister kill them and still there tren.
 
This is Franco when he was young, he had incredible genetics, one of the best back and upper chest in the whole bodybuilding history, strong as fuck, does he look impressive at all without drugs?
Check all the best bodybuilders off all times before drugs and none of them look even close to this guy the post is about

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I don't know what your trying to say but in that pic he was already dabbling with hormones. Don't believe the set date people have on when it was available it's been around since early 1900's. Back then you can get shit like buying a loaf of bread that easy. Ifbb pros look like regular skinny fucks in there early days. I've been locked up enough times to know what a true natural cut up guy looks like. In there teen years they look good but will never hAve fine lines and popped 3d look and it's just not possible to hold mass in all the right places when your super lean.
 
I don't know what your trying to say but in that pic he was already dabbling with hormones. Don't believe the set date people have on when it was available it's been around since early 1900's. Back then you can get shit like buying a loaf of bread that easy. Ifbb pros look like regular skinny fucks in there early days. I've been locked up enough times to know what a true natural cut up guy looks like. In there teen years they look good but will never hAve fine lines and popped 3d look and it's just not possible to hold mass in all the right places when your super lean.

There are olympic gymnists that look like this. Dont forget how short he is too. Him being natty in this photo is not all that far fetched. Yes no maybe so.
 
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There are olympic gymnists that look like this. Dont forget how short he is too. Him being natty in this photo is not all that far fetched.

Omg you guys really have no clue! All Olympic gymnist use ped's and know how to pass a fucken drug test. Steroids always have and always will be in sports or else sports will fucken suck!
 
All I'm saying is that the guy is really short and really short guys have the ability to look more muscular without peds. And gymnists are not all on peds dude your getting a little paranoid. If franco was training for boxing jumping rope doing push ups and pull ups by the thousands squating and bench pressing and running. This is not impossible.
 
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All I'm saying is that the guy is really short and really short guys have the ability to look more muscular without peds. And gymnists are not all on peds dude your getting a little paranoid.

Ok name one. ... how many cases has there been where they get caught? Sprinters and cyclists and baseball players bowling leagues use deca to ease the pain in there elbows for fucks sake.
 
The use of performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) has had a long history at the Olympic Games. Its origins can be traced back to the Ancient Olympics where Olympians would eat lizard meat prepared a special way, in the hopes that it would give them an athletic edge.[1] The first documented use of drugs to improve an athlete's performance was the winner of the 1904 marathon, Thomas Hicks who was injected with strychnine. The use of performance-enhancing medication has also been attributed to one death during Olympic competition.[2] As rumors of rampant drug use by athletes began to spread, so the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided to act. By 1967, the IOC had banned the use of performance enhancing drugs in Olympic competition. The IOC introduced the first drug use controls at the 1968 Winter Olympics.

These controls eventually evolved into a systematic-testing regimen that all Olympic athletes must adhere to. Testing of athletes for performance-enhancing drugs includes both urine and blood tests. As of 1999, the authoritative body on the use of performance-enhancing drugs is the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). This organization oversees the testing of athletes for several sports federations and the Olympic Games. As the creators of these drugs continue to improve their sophistication, potency and transparency, WADA and its constituency also innovate new ways to detect these drugs. Athletes continue to use various medical modifications to their body as a means of improving their athletic performances.

SINCE SOME OF YOU ONLY BELIEVE GOOGLE HERE'S A LONG ARTICLE IF I WAS ZILLA YOU WOULD BE ALL LIKE "WHOA MAN THANKS FOR THE KNOWLEDGE IT IS TRUE THEN" LOL
 
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