No one is saying that you can just eat and gain muscle?? They are just saying that diet is very important in the process of gaining mucsle along WITH lifting. Keep the same diet as a poor college student and lift as much as you want, you won't gain shit and you'll be exhausted 24/7.
What does it take to put on 25 pounds of Muscle?
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No one is saying that you can just eat and gain muscle?? They are just saying that diet is very important in the process of gaining mucsle along WITH lifting. Keep the same diet as a poor college student and lift as much as you want, you won't gain shit and you'll be exhausted 24/7.
juced_porkchop
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not true if your diet is shit. you might acually LOSS muscle.
diet is 1st then training then supps in my book.
protein/carbs/fats are all important..
high protien diet is good.
50%protein/20%fats(GOOD FATS!)/30%carbs
is a good ratio i think
you can go higher on carbs if fat isnot an issue but always make protein the biggiest part
juced_porkchop
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basicly your "lifting to get muscles" is worthless if the diet is shit.
also if yourt diet is great and all you do is go on the tredmill for 1hr then guess what your still not going to get muscles.
diet is 1# to me for that.
you can lift not so grate and gain a bit of muscle atleast, if diet is good .
but if diet is complete shit, then your lost. no matter how good or bad your workout is.
diet and treiniong . lift geat dont mean nothing if diet is crap.
also i liek gear for giving my 2 yrs worth of grown in 1 year and get on farther faster and more productivly then without gear. but thats with diet and training or eals then even gear is a waste.
also if yourt diet is great and all you do is go on the tredmill for 1hr then guess what your still not going to get muscles.
diet is 1# to me for that.
you can lift not so grate and gain a bit of muscle atleast, if diet is good .
but if diet is complete shit, then your lost. no matter how good or bad your workout is.
diet and treiniong . lift geat dont mean nothing if diet is crap.
also i liek gear for giving my 2 yrs worth of grown in 1 year and get on farther faster and more productivly then without gear. but thats with diet and training or eals then even gear is a waste.
Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Ok So the truth is it's less than 5%. Diet is the biggest factor by far. If you don't get the food you won't grow period. You can take all the gear in the world and you won't grow with out the food. You will grow with out the gear if you have the food.
It's not just the food it's the right food " at the right time". So I'm bigger than all of you! I've also been bigger than 95% of you will ever be. So there. I've also been at this longer than some of you have been a live. Your fooling your self if you think Gear is going to be a substitute for diet and hard work.
It's not just the food it's the right food " at the right time". So I'm bigger than all of you! I've also been bigger than 95% of you will ever be. So there. I've also been at this longer than some of you have been a live. Your fooling your self if you think Gear is going to be a substitute for diet and hard work.
Interesting concept. Never read much about this. Going to Google some info on this.
About the great debate if you are apples for apples. Same diet same potential two different people then gear will definitely push the person more the 5% over the natural. Just look at the comparison between natural pro's and IFBB pro's.
But what Jamy is trying to say with his sig is that to a person doing the gear should be worth about 5% of their effort!
^^This^^
Completely agree 110%. Train all you want. you don't eat you won't grow. You eat like a 12 year old girl? You won't grow.
There was a study done a while back with sumo wrestlers, elite bodybuilders and a group of untrained average joes. I can't remember the details/purpose or even find the study, but the jist of it was they determined the lean muscle mass of the 3 groups. And while the sumo's had the greatest percentage of bodyfat, they also had the most lean muscle mass. Moreso than the bodybuilders and far more than the untrained group.
Now sumos don't really do a lot of weight training, but they do eat a shit ton of food...lots of rice and fish, huh?They practice pushing other really big sumos out of a circle, but really, how are they developing all this lean muscle mass? I say it is more due to all the excess amounts of food they are eating than anything.
Dante. Creator of the Doggcrapp method of training.
There was a study some years back which included 3 groups–elite sumo wrestlers who did no weight training whatsoever, advanced bodybuilders and advanced powerlifters–about 20 in each group. Now there is a lot of variables here but they took the lean muscle mass of each group and divided it by their height in inches. Surprisingly the sumo wrestlers came out well ahead of the powerlifters (2nd) and the bodybuilders (very close 3rd). This is a group who did no weight training at all but engorged themselves with food trying to bring their bodyweight up to dramatic levels. How is a group that is doing no weight training having more muscle mass per inch of height than powerlifters and bodybuilders? For anyone that doubts food is the greatest anabolic in your arsenal, you better get up to speed and on the same page as what my trainees have found out. Gee now what would happen if you actually ate to get dramatically larger like a sumo, but actually weight trained like a powerbuilder (which is what we train like), and also did enough cardio/carb cuttoffs etc to keep bodyfat at bay while doing all this? Are you guys coming around to how I think yet….in how to become the biggest bodybuilder at the quickest rate but keeping leanness on that journey?
At Large Nutrition. From At Large Nutrition’s article, Gaining Mass.
The vast majority of people understand this message to mean that if they want to build mass successfully they must consume foods which are bland, low in fat, and high in protein. They think they must follow the typical bodybuilding staple diet of plain chicken breasts, rice, plain tuna, and some vegetables. They feel they must eat ‘clean’.
The truth is that if you are natural (and you should be) and want to get big, you need to simply eat more. You also need to train properly. Proper training and the ingestion of sufficient total calories (with sufficient protein) are what will make you huge, not following some overly strict typical bodybuilding diet.
AlphaMaleDawg
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everybody in this thread is basically re-iterating the same thing, yet there is beef going around. I think we can all agree that a good workout, a good diet, and a good cycle will all help us get big and strong! If one of them is off, then optimal gains will not be achieved. plain and simple
3J
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couldn't have said it better... BUMP
I donno if im reading this wrong or something.... but are you saying you eat your own cum?
that is fucked
EXACTLY... No point in arguing when everyone is basically saying the same thing. You want big gains in a short period of time you need gear AND a good diet.
MrRage
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dont wanna waste all that life giving energy... if you REALLY wanna pound it on fast though, you gotta drink 2 glasses a day, you might need a little help finding that much... try craigslist, plenty of bros on there who will asist
i kind of agree about gear being 50% diet is key but the gear is what makes ur diet n training get u big
3J
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AlphaMaleDawg
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thats goooooooodddddd.....
two stars for you.......
50% gear.. wow.. gimmie a break
5% is even more of an outrageous comment...just saying
but anyways, we can all agree everything else needs to be on point for the gear to work
3J
Super Moderator
ill say it again.. u cant seem to understand the context of which my percentages apply...
ur head isn't in the right place imo.. not flaming..
but when u understand nutrtion and what it can do
you simply piss on gear.. cuz you're never gonna keep those gains without proper diet
food is the most anabolic substance on earth...
not test.. not dbol.. not deca.. not tren.. non of those will match good old fashioned food!!!!
AlphaMaleDawg
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and again, no one is disputing that. I am just saying it's more than 5%. that's all. anyways keep your pimp hand strong player
richard nose
New member
i made most of my gains off of a combo of gh and humalog. once i added slin it became the key to my growth
note: i didnt get 25 lbs of muscle, i gained 25 lbs. dread, are you saying you gained that much muscle in one cycle?
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IMPROPER DIET: Ignoring the importance of nutrition can completely impair the positive effects of steroids, and increase the negative side effects. Anabolic steroids are most effective when used with a high calorie, high protein diet. In fact, only one steroid has exhibited any anabolic effects on a limited calorie diet. An optimum diet when on steroids involves consuming 6,000 to 9,000 calories per day. Most people regularly consume 2,500 to 3,000 calories per day. Second only to intense training, a high calorie diet is the most important factor to be in place for significant muscle gains. In other words, a thirty pound gain in lean muscle mass has to come from somewhere.
chemical wizardry
Of those calories, 60% should be complex carbs, 20% complete protein, and 20 % fat. Supplements may be needed to meet this goal. Many athletes do not eat enough food for steroids to work, or if they do intake enough calories, often too much fat is consumed. Anabolic steroid themselves can increase cholesterol levels and blood pressure. This may lead to heart disease. An athlete should always attempt to keep excessive fat out of the diet to offset any additional threat of heart disease that steroids present. Concurrently, make sure protein and overall caloric consumption is high enough to fuel the full effectiveness of the steroids
chemical wizardry
Of those calories, 60% should be complex carbs, 20% complete protein, and 20 % fat. Supplements may be needed to meet this goal. Many athletes do not eat enough food for steroids to work, or if they do intake enough calories, often too much fat is consumed. Anabolic steroid themselves can increase cholesterol levels and blood pressure. This may lead to heart disease. An athlete should always attempt to keep excessive fat out of the diet to offset any additional threat of heart disease that steroids present. Concurrently, make sure protein and overall caloric consumption is high enough to fuel the full effectiveness of the steroids
3J
Super Moderator
though i like the tone if this post.. i cant say i agree with it..
that's a fucked up nutriton split imo..
and 6-9k diet??? thats fucking crazy bro..
i weigh 275lbs and i dont eat over 4500
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