What is an Ideal for a first cycle?

OMEGA

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This thread kinda of Build from Stonecolds Sticky re Test study doses;
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html?

, hope you enjoy:

1:
Be above the age of 25
Why?
Because this is when a typical males Testosterone level starts to "stagnate"

2:
Before you cycle make sure you have used KEY supps to the maximum efficacy.
What does this mean?
It means using creatine; at least 5-10 grams a day for several "2-3 months cycles"
It means using glutamine a day everyday
It means having at least 2 protein shakes a day on top of a great solid food based diet.


3:
Before you cycle make sure to have at least trained for 2-3 years at your peak natural level.
Not just lifting, you should have a level of cardio endurance as well.
Only then can you truly assess what you are capable of, and only then will supra-physiological doses of Anabolic tap in to what your truly capable of genetically.

4:Now that your ready to do a first cycle, what should your first exotic stack be?
"Ta heck with you and your stacks".......Use Test only! ( either Enathate , Cyp or Sus)
You want to give your body every possible advantage when you cycle, and knowing how you respond to the KING hormone will teach you alot when you want to utlize more compounds later.
Test is always the base of any advanced cycle anyway to preserve sexual function .

MOST important ; Test only cycles are the easiest to recover from since its easier to balance the endocrine system, gauge sides, and also you don't have to fight other more suppressive metabolites lingering around ( ex Deca) when you near Post Cycle Therapy


5:
How much should I use and how long?
Sorry the 200's wont do!
Why use just barely more then Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) doses?
Use at least 350 mgs and up to 600 mgs a week.
Why?
Sorry gentlemen you need to be a double version of your self you get double the gains.
Use alot of Test but no so much where you get excessive E conversion and need to Eat AI's like pez, or to the point when you feel like a marshmallow.


6: How Long is my cycle and what about an Oral Kickstart?

Cycle should be no less then 8 weeks long, and no more then 9...
9 is ideal ( plus remember you still have a good week to 10 days of high plasma T levels till they drop for CT...... so in reality its a 10 week cycle or 10.5 to be precise...
You get huge gains but also can recover real well for P.C.T with the guide lines just given.

Oral kick-start I hate to say DOES maximize this Basic yet highly effective cycle.
Use Dbol, Tbol first 4-5 weeks. Some do use Anavar (var) as well though its not ideal.

Why ORALS ? Orals are bioaviable immediately and unlock the abilities of your body to build muscle ASAP and you dont have to wait 4-5 weeks for the Test E or Sus or CYP to kick in to a level where you can start to feel like your actually on a cycle..
You feel ON from day one! and Gains start at week 1.


7: P.C.T is almost as important as the cycle.
or darn close.
You need a Serm, and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for sure, And also using some Pro T supps can help.
Supps like Trib, Fadogia, Fengugreek etc can be highly effective in some.
Start using them 10 days after Last Shot when T levels begin to fall from the injectables your doing.
Use them for 3-4 weeks to close the Feedback loop and force your body to kickstart its own endogenous production.
Also you wont get Fat in P/C/T since E will be covered and passively Cortisol
 
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agreed with cobra much better thread omega...however disagree with a few things like taking anavar for any reason unless your a girl. there are more reasons than sex drive for using test as a base. 2-3 years of lifting is not long enough to reach your natty potential and wouldn't do less or more than 500mg of test cyp or enanthate per week for no less or more than 10 weeks. but these are just my opinion and i did notice you mentioned some better orals first. not ripping you at all...complimenting you for the research done. but don't stop here keep on keeping on brother!
 
This thread kinda of Build from Stonecolds Sticky re Test study doses, hope you enjoy:

1:
Be above the age of 25
Why?
Because this is when a typical males Testosterone level starts to "stagnate"

2:
Before you cycle make sure you have used KEY supps to the maximum efficacy.
What does this mean?
It means using creatine; at least 10 grams a day for several "2-3 months cycles"
It means using at least 15 grams of glutamine a day everyday
It means having at least 2 protein shakes a day on top of a great solid food based diet.


3:
Before you cycle make sure to have at least trained for 2-3 years at your peak natural level.
Not just lifting, you should have a level of cardio endurance as well.
Only then can you truly assess what you are capable of, and only then will supra-physiological doses of Anabolic tap in to what your truly capable of genetically.

4:Now that your ready to do a first cycle, what should your first exotic stack be?
"Ta heck with you and your stacks".......Use Test only! ( either Enathate , Cyp or Sus)
You want to give your body every possible advantage when you cycle, and knowing how you respond to the KING hormone will teach you alot when you want to utlize more compounds later.
Test is always the base of any advanced cycle anyway to preserve sexual function .

MOST important ; Test only cycles are the easiest to recover from since its easier to balance the endocrine system, gauge sides, and also you don't have to fight other more suppressive metabolites lingering around when you near Post Cycle Therapy.


5:
How much should I use and how long?
Sorry the 200's wont do!
Why use just barely more then Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) doses?
Use at least 350 mgs and up to 550 mgs a week.
Why?
Sorry gentlemen you need to be a double version of your self you get double the gains.
Use alot of Test but no so much where you get excessive E conversion and need to Eat AI's like pez, or to the point when you feel like a marshmallow.


6: How Long is my cycle and what about an Oral Kickstart?

Cycle should be no less then 7 weeks longs, and no more then 9
9 is ideal.
You get huge gains but also can recover real well for P.C.T
Oral kick-start I hate to say DOES maximize this cycle.
Use Dbol, Tbol or Anavar (var) the first 4-5 weeks.
Why? Orals are bioaviable immediately and unlock the abilities body to build muscle ASAP and you dont have to wait 4-5 weeks for the Test E or Sus to kick in to a level where you can start to feel like your actually on a cycle..
You feel ON from day one! and Gains start at week 1.


7: P.C.T is almost as important as the cycle.
or darn close.
You need a Serm, and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for sure, And also using some Pro T supps can help.
Start using them 10 days after Last Shot when T levels begin to fall from the injectables your doing.
Use them for 3-4 weeks to close the Feedback loop and force your body to kickstart its own endogenous production.
Also you wont get Fat in P/C/T since E will be covered.

Huh? Disagree
 
Gains tend to stall at week 8 unless you up the mgs for a longer cycle
longer cycle generally = more suppression and harder PCT

as far as the Var, point is an oral will initiate gains faster in those first weeks till peak plasma of Test is had
 
some of you will hate the Article on Deca I wrote some will love it

non the less it is practical and effective, some will enjoy it very much
 
Good info OMEGA and I agree with you on igf lr3 for post cycle therapy (pct). Have done this many times. I would like to see how you lay it out.
 
hcg def has a place in all ways, it just depend on you

how do you use it?

Userat204 how do you use the Igfl3 20 mcg a day or 40? or more?

evidence suggest 20 still dose a good job

My fav post cycle therapy (pct) that all seem to recover fast with on 10 week cycle or less is this sans hcg

Aromasen 20 mgs a day 3-4 weeks
Clomid 50 mgs a day 3-4 weeks


Supps to add:
Daspartic Acid 3 grams per day
Aclethyl Carnitine 2 grams per day
Actyl trysone 1 gram per day

Glutamanine Peptides ( 30-50 grams a day)
Creatine 5-7

IgFl3 was thinking 20 mcg a day as well up to 40
 
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I thought many people say not to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct)? Can you please explain this further. Thanks.
 
I thought many people say not to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct)? Can you please explain this further. Thanks.

From Det-Oaks post cycle therapy (pct) thread:


AI or Aromatase Inhibitor

For this discussion we will only talk about Aromasin (Exemestane).

Since Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor its effectiveness is not altered by the use of a SERM. When type II inhibitors such as Letro and Adex are used in conjunction with a SERM their effectiveness is substantially weakened.

AI's will attach themselves to the aromatase enzyme. This will slow the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, therefore lowering total estrogen levels.

Once a suppressive compound has left our bodies (during SERM treatment) the testosterone to estrogen ratio is imbalanced. This means our estrogen is higher than our testosterone. This is why we feel like crap during this time.

In an attempt to keep this ratio somewhat normal I suggest taking Aromasin alongside your SERM. This should help ease the "pain" during SERM treatment. Aromasin has also been shown to raise testosterone levels, although only temporarily.
 
Hmmmm interesting post. I will have to consider this. Thanks Omega.

Also, I don't see that you mentioned anywhere about taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during cycle. Is this your stance on this matter or did I miss something? And if you do suggest it during/on at what dosage and intervals? Also what dosage and intervals for post cycle therapy (pct) do you recommend. Thanks for responding so quickly. Its good to have guys like you on here.
 
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